Our young people are strongly, Strongly, STRONGLY encouraged to do the "13th" year at a Bible College before moving on into a secular education route. Are the kids that "go secular" treated different? Some say yes, others say no.
Sadly, those kids are. I think its an IFB misconception that youth pastors or pastors can judge their impact by the number of young people who go to Bible College.
Steve Robertson once said, " There is no score card in God's service."
__________________ If any man thinks ill of you, do not be angry with him, for you are worse than he thinks you to be. If he charges you falsely on some point, yet be satisfied, for if he knew you better he might change the accusation, and you would be no gainer by the correction. If you have your moral portrait painted and it is ugly, be satisfied, for it only needs a few blacker touches, and it would be still nearer the truth."
Our young people are strongly, Strongly, STRONGLY encouraged to do the "13th" year at a Bible College before moving on into a secular education route. Are the kids that "go secular" treated different? Some say yes, others say no.
Yeah, I said that people who recommended Christian college to high school students are retards. The only thing more retarded is doing that. The person who recommends that would be uber-retarded. Why would a child who knows they hasn't been called into the ministry go to a place where their credits will likely not transfer to their other university, where they will not get in state tuition rates, and where they waste money for needless and useless credits. This is one of the dumbest ideas I have ever heard.
And PS. A 13th year at a Christian school is no where in Scripture.
Yeah, I said that people who recommended Christian college to high school students are retards. The only thing more retarded is doing that. The person who recommends that would be uber-retarded. Why would a child who knows they hasn't been called into the ministry go to a place where their credits will likely not transfer to their other university, where they will not get in state tuition rates, and where they waste money for needless and useless credits. This is one of the dumbest ideas I have ever heard.
And PS. A 13th year at a Christian school is no where in Scripture.
That depends on your major and what school. To totally dismiss nonministry students from Christian college is amiss. There are examples everywhere of successful laypeople graduating from Christian institutions.
That depends on your major and what school. To totally dismiss nonministry students from Christian college is amiss. There are examples everywhere of successful laypeople graduating from Christian institutions.
Kinda risky, especially if you are seeking a post graduate degree.
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The Biblical teaching on the sovereignty of God is summed up well by the Westminister Confession of faith: "God from all eternity did, by the most wise and holy counsel of His own will, freely and unchangeably ordain whatsoever comes to pass.
I know investment bankers, lawyers and doctors who had Christian college undergrad and went on to Wake Forest and UNC, and other good schools.
Like I said, it depends on the field of study. For example, I don't know any Christian university that has a good engineering program. If a kid wants to go into that field, he probably should go to a state institution. Same for vetinary medicine. There are a few good undergrad business, nursing, education, and pre-law programs in Christian colleges. I wouldn't go to any graduate schools at these places, except maybe in the field of education.
Anyone else have the experience I had growing up in an IFBX church years ago and I mean years ago where the church pushed their youth to attend christian colleges instead of state schools. Those youth who did not attend a christian college was looked at and even treated differently then those who attended christian college(s).
Now maybe that practice has changed in the IFB/IFBX world today but had anyone experienced that years ago? And if so has it changed in your churches today?
As a teen in a church that was IFB, not so much IFBx, the youth leaders would warn us of the dangers of secular universities. It was not preached from the pulpit (except maybe in a general way). The pastor went to Tom Malone's school, but was not at all rabid about getting people to go there.
As far as I know, no one was made to feel like an outcast for their choice of college.
In the church I am now there is MUCH pressure to attend the "college" started by the church. A high school student is betraying the pastor if he does anything else. Before the "college", people were pushed hard to HAC or to LBT... other Christian schools were not good. This church is definitely IFBx, if I understand the term properly.
Having given the state of things when I was a teen and today, what's wrong with encouraging students to at least attend a Christian college and get some grounding before attending a secular university? There is certainly a lot of temptation and evil abounding at a secular university. There isn't, in my opinion, a "cookie-cutter" solution that is right for everyone in every circumstance. Some teens are mature and stable and could probably handle a secular university. Others would make a shipwreck of their lives if they went there.
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Shall not the Judge of all the earth do right?
This views expressed in this post are my own opinion (though I would have thought that obvious)
I know investment bankers, lawyers and doctors who had Christian college undergrad and went on to Wake Forest and UNC, and other good schools.
Like I said, it depends on the field of study. For example, I don't know any Christian university that has a good engineering program. If a kid wants to go into that field, he probably should go to a state institution. Same for vetinary medicine. There are a few good undergrad business, nursing, education, and pre-law programs in Christian colleges. I wouldn't go to any graduate schools at these places, except maybe in the field of education.
Liberty University has an engineering program. Don't be surprise if they have their own medicial college one day. They do have a law school also.
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“If you're not a liberal at twenty you have no heart,
if you're not a conservative at forty you have no brain.”
Sir Winston Churchill
" If A equals success, then the formula is: A = X + Y + Z, X is work. Y is play. Z is keep your mouth shut. " Albert Einstein
"I say that boy is as strong as an ox, and just about as smart." - Foghorn Leghorn
Et cetera, et cetera, et cetera - The King and I
Lynchburg Baptist College class of 1975, now known as Liberty University.
As a teen in a church that was IFB, not so much IFBx, the youth leaders would warn us of the dangers of secular universities. It was not preached from the pulpit (except maybe in a general way). The pastor went to Tom Malone's school, but was not at all rabid about getting people to go there.
As far as I know, no one was made to feel like an outcast for their choice of college.
In the church I am now there is MUCH pressure to attend the "college" started by the church. A high school student is betraying the pastor if he does anything else. Before the "college", people were pushed hard to HAC or to LBT... other Christian schools were not good. This church is definitely IFBx, if I understand the term properly.
Having given the state of things when I was a teen and today, what's wrong with encouraging students to at least attend a Christian college and get some grounding before attending a secular university? There is certainly a lot of temptation and evil abounding at a secular university. There isn't, in my opinion, a "cookie-cutter" solution that is right for everyone in every circumstance. Some teens are mature and stable and could probably handle a secular university. Others would make a shipwreck of their lives if they went there.
I would think their church would have them grounded so why would they need to attend a christian college. Their freshmen year they would only take OT and NT as far as bible courses, so I would think they would have that fundamental training down if they had attended church their whole life.
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“If you're not a liberal at twenty you have no heart,
if you're not a conservative at forty you have no brain.”
Sir Winston Churchill
" If A equals success, then the formula is: A = X + Y + Z, X is work. Y is play. Z is keep your mouth shut. " Albert Einstein
"I say that boy is as strong as an ox, and just about as smart." - Foghorn Leghorn
Et cetera, et cetera, et cetera - The King and I
Lynchburg Baptist College class of 1975, now known as Liberty University.
As a youth pastor, I always encourage the teens to follow God's will, whether they are called into the ministry or not. And I refuse to tell them what His will is, because I do not know it. I teach them to pray and to seek God for direction in their life. I believe that they should counsel with the pastor before making any big decision like that, but I promise you that the pastor will never tell them where to go. God is just as capable of speaking to a teenager as He is a pastor.
I will sometimes encourage someone who is not called into the ministry to attend a Bible College with just a general studies major, a two year program, to make sure they have their faith grounded. My reasoning for this is simple. We are to be Christians before we are lawyers, doctors, pilots, or any other profession. I will give suggestions of schools that I think will best suit them personally, then leave the decision to them and God, with no pressure for any particular school. I will never encourage however, a young person to leave to a college where there is not a strong local church that they can attend while in school.
Oh yeah, I am IFB (and many of you would consider me to be IFBx)
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