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    Below is an excerpt from an article I received via e-mail.
    (The article included a link to an excellent article on Calvinism by John Piper, answering many of these 'objections'.)

    Are these legitimate concerns about 'Calvinism'?

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    At least 10 things have bothered me about the effects that “so-called” Calvinism has had on some:

    1. Calvinism can reduce evangelistic zeal.
    2. Calvinism, by extension, can undermine a commitment to missions.
    3. Calvinism can lead to a flippant attitude toward sin.
    4. Calvinism can overemphasize sin and depravity, neglecting the image of God within us.
    5. Calvinism leads some to deny the love of God for all people.
    6. Calvinism inspires some to surrender their humanity to an unbiblical fatalistic determinism.
    7. Calvinism can displace Scripture as the source of truth.
    8. Calvinism can under-emphasize the moment of conversion.
    9. Calvinism can be accompanied by theological arrogance, which undermines love for fellow believers who see spiritual reality in a different light.
    10. Calvinism can divide Christians from each other.
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    Old 11-02-2009, 10:55 AM
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    10. Calvinism can divide Christians from each other.
    So also can Independent Fundamental Baptist Churches.
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    I doubt this list is by Piper! He is a Reformed Baptist is he not?
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    Below is an excerpt from an article I received via e-mail.
    (The article included a link to an excellent article on Calvinism by John Piper, answering many of these 'objections'.)

    Are these legitimate concerns about 'Calvinism'?
    There are real reasons that "Calvinism" is oft perceived in these ways. And none of them are good (with some exceptions on #10). It usually has to do with focusing on some "5 points" as the essence of Calvinism. IOW, people who give other Calvinists this reputation among other Christians are almost always 'stunted' Calvinists, making a lot of noise about something less than full-orbed Calvinism.


    When you find a Calvinist Pastor who preaches every sermon on one of the "Five points" you have found a flock that is as unbalanced as one who has a pastor who preaches easy-believism evangelsitic sermons every week.
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    So also can Independent Fundamental Baptist Churches.
    Some "Christians" are worth dividing from.
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    So also can Independent Fundamental Baptist Churches.
    And that's not always a bad thing.
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    I doubt this list is by Piper! He is a Reformed Baptist is he not?
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    Below is an excerpt from an article I received via e-mail.
    (The article included a link to an excellent article on Calvinism by John Piper, answering many of these 'objections'.)
    The article was by Ron Forseth, I believe.
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    So also can Independent Fundamental Baptist Churches.
    Obsessed much?

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    Some "Christians" are worth dividing from.
    Really, I say, maybe they need to just be discipled and taught what the Bible says. Start a community Bible study for all denominations.
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    Obsessed much?

    Anything to add concerning the subject of the OP?
    I don't think the concerns are worth being concerned over frankly. We all can develop reasons to not be effective Christians, Calvinist or not.
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