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    Do Hebrews 13:7, 17 and 24 offer instruction to church members in regard to their pastors/elders?

    Obey peitho them? (The word is almost always translated 'obey', no matter the version.)
    They 'keep watch over your souls' (NSASV)...they must give account.

    Some here believe Pastors are almost never to be questioned, others believe Pastors are highly overrated and are just 'along for the ride'.
    They should just preach and keep their collective mouths shut otherwise.

    How do you interpret these verses as they relate to a Pastor's office, authority and responsibility?
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    Old 08-26-2009, 12:16 PM
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    Do Hebrews 13:7, 17 and 24 offer instruction to church members in regard to their pastors/elders?...

    How do you interpret these verses as they relate to a Pastor's office, authority and responsibility?

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    In keeping this with other passages dealing with this...I approach it this way!

    The pastor is called by God to be the undershepherd to the Lord's flock

    The pastor is to be honored for his God given position

    The pastor is not to be a dictator, nor a shearer of the sheep

    The pastor is not to be a hireling

    The pastor is to rightly divid the Word

    The pastor is to equip the saints to do the work of the ministry

    The pastor is not the head of the Church, Christ is

    The pastor is exhibit the same type of servant leadership that Jesus did

    The pastor is to love the church and not abuse it

    The pastor is not the final authority...the Word is


    Just some thoughts!!
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    Do Hebrews 13:7, 17 and 24 offer instruction to church members in regard to their pastors/elders?

    Obey peitho them? (The word is almost always translated 'obey', no matter the version.)
    They 'keep watch over your souls' (NSASV)...they must give account.

    Some here believe Pastors are almost never to be questioned, others believe Pastors are highly overrated and are just 'along for the ride'.
    They should just preach and keep their collective mouths shut otherwise.

    How do you interpret these verses as they relate to a Pastor's office, authority and responsibility?
    Pastors rule under God's authority and are to be obeyed, because they are under authority. Renegade pastors who rule according to their own authority are imposters-- usurpers actually-- and they need not be obeyed, but resisted.

    The same could be said for civil rulers, IMO.
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    In keeping this with other passages dealing with this...I approach it this way!

    The pastor is called by God to be the undershepherd to the Lord's flock

    The pastor is to be honored for his God given position

    The pastor is not to be a dictator, nor a shearer of the sheep

    The pastor is not to be a hireling

    The pastor is to rightly divid the Word

    The pastor is to equip the saints to do the work of the ministry

    The pastor is not the head of the Church, Christ is

    The pastor is exhibit the same type of servant leadership that Jesus did

    The pastor is to love the church and not abuse it

    The pastor is not the final authority...the Word is


    Just some thoughts!!
    I have nothing to add. Good post.
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    To what extent and in what areas are they to be 'obeyed'?

    Church administration issues?
    Church policy issues?
    Church ministry issues?
    Doctrinal issues?


    All, none or some of the above?
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    Mark is always telling the congregation NOT to just take his word for something. He wants people to seek God on their own and not think they have to have Mark teach them everything. He wants them to study the Word on their own.

    The same Holy Spirit that lives in Mark lives in the people he shepherds.
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    Issues that have to do with the keeping of one's soul.
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    Issues that have to do with the keeping of one's soul.
    That is the 'rub' as Shakespeare would say....exactly what does 'watching for your soul' require/include?
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