Hugh McBryde with details about Marty Braemer

[OverIt]

Marty Braemer article




Hugh McBryde's blog

[WhyEvenBother]

Sounds like there was some bad blood between that blogger and Marty. Of all people to out him so publicly.

I feel physically ill. The words of The Kids Mom keep going through my head and I'm not even sure how to pray for everyone involved.

Gotta get off this forum for a while, can't hardly see the keyboard for the tears.

May God's will somehow be accomplished.

[bestoflife]

Sad.

[Violet]

I would like to again gently point out that everything posted here is visible to anyone with internet access...

http://conservativebabylon.lavenderl...aemer-resigns/

http://conservativebabylon.lavenderl...-its-adultery/

Again, I don't know Marty or anything about him... I just want to remind all of us that this is a public forum.

I'm backing out again now... Again, I apologize if you feel I have no business posting about this...

[BruinBoy]

Hugh sure is setting himself up for a huge lawsuit. If he made this accusation about me or if I was the librarians husband, I would be at the county courthouse 9:00 a.m. tomorrow if this isn't true.

There was a person today who lost a big lawsuit for a libelous comment they made on Twitter. Even though Hugh is a certifiable nut, he will be safe on this one, IMHO of course.

Very sad indeed.

[just john]

Ouch!

dear brother smith,
i am writing to share with you a concern that weighs heavily on my heart. I have been sickened over the past forty eight hours as i have read newspaper accounts and watched tv coverage of the events surrounding the arrest of dr. Bob gray of jacksonville, florida.

Now, i realize this is in the early stages of the investigation and the media seems to have a flair for sensationalism which isn’t always anchored in unbiased truth but it does not change the fact that these are serious allegations. There was apparently an issue or issues which led the leadership at trinity baptist church to “discipline” dr gray and seek his resignation in 1992.

I am not writing to you as an attack on bob gray or tom messer or trinity baptist church. Again, these are still just allegations but the list of victims seems to be growing and one must assume that where there’s smoke there is at least a small fire.
Just a week ago i was sitting in a restaurant with a well known preacher within our camp. We were discussing the known scandals within our camp that get whispered about quietly at tables in preachers’ fellowships but never shouted from the pulpit. I told that pastor that i was sick and tired of attending conferences where many in our camp ride their high moral horses about peripheral issues and point their guns while thundering the sins of jim bakker, jimmy swaggart, and pedophile priests while remaining deafening silent on sins which “lieth at the door” within our own camp. Now, we have a mess in jacksonville. Yes, i said “we” because this affects us all.
The typical independent, fundamental baptist approach to a scandal like this is first to deny it. I understand that. I truly do. None of us wishes to believe that people we loved and admired and followed could be capable of such sinful acts, especially against children. Then when it is realized there may be merit and teeth to the charges we ignore it. I mean we’ll remove bob gray’s picture from our websites, remove his name from our missionary lists, reprint conference flyers that once featured his name as a guest speaker, and gather up all of his preaching tapes. Neither his name nor anything about him will ever be mentioned from the pulpit in any conference where he once spoke. It will almost be as if he never existed.
Dr. Smith, there is a better way… a more biblical way. Let’s face it. I mean let’s address it. At one time dr rice used to print the names of southern baptist officers who owned properties which they rented out to the owners of liquor stores, movie houses, and taverns. How much more accountable should we hold those who claim to be called by god to an office that features a list of character and moral requirements that includes mandates like “blameless” and above reproach?
I know, we’re independent and one of the baptist distinctives is autonomy. But bob gray was not simply a local pastor. He held a national platform. One of the providers of that platform was the sword of the lord.
His actions reflect on not only all independent baptist churches but the body of christ as a whole. If can we write about jerry falwell changing his standards at liberty or dave bouler changing the music and special speakers at southwide then certainly someone who has broken god’s moral law and violated the innocence of children should also have his name mentioned.
There can be no lasting repentance or revival until there is accountability.
The sword of the lord, which at one time held the ear of the vast majority of fundamentalists in america, needs to take the lead on this issue. At the very least there needs to be an article informing people of the charges. You can encourage your readers to pray for all of those involved from dr gray to trinity baptist to the alleged victims. You can also encourage them to pray that the truth, whichever side it may fall on, be revealed and justice served. If he is found guilty and the allegations are in true, then dr gray needs to be publicly rebuked and not only by trinity but also within the pages of the sword.
“against an elder receive not an accusation, but before two or three witnesses. Them that sin rebuke before all, that others also may fear.” i timothy 5:19-20


yes, i love bob gray. He was truly one of my heroes of the faith. He had a great influence on my life when i was teenager. His sinful actions do not make the truths he preached any less true but it certainly does bring reproach to the cause of christ.
In the past there have been men who got away with adultery and worse. I realize that ultimately they will face god but in the meantime innocent people have been hurt and lives have been shattered and destroyed. I am for the local church. I am for local church governing itself. But the local church cannot properly govern if it does not know what it is never told.
Dr. Smith, there is nothing which can be done about the sins of the past. However, there is something that can be done about this sin. We have no right to wave our bibles or call ourselves the hope of america if we ignore this or simply talk about it quietly in private while pounding the pulpit in public over which preachers are now using movie screens and power point in their services. Funny how the autonomy argument becomes moot when preaching against local churches deciding what kind of music they prefer for their services or which standards they choose to have or not have. Purity is more than a haircut or a dress length. It’s a matter of the heart before god.
If we truly want to see revival then we need more than just preaching that shears the sheep. We need an accounting of the shepherds.
By his grace,

marty braemer

senior pastor

[raised2walk]

Ouch!

What was the date on that letter, John?

[Trab]

***sigh***

[just john]

What was the date on that letter, John?

2006. Didn't format well on my Iphone. Sorry

[raised2walk]

2006. Didn't format well on my Iphone. Sorry

Oh, quit bragging.