In recent days there has been a great deal of controversy and contention among Independent Fundamental Baptists (IFB) within and around the Fundamental Baptist Fellowship International (FBFI).“Some Would Like Me to be Removed From the Platform of the FBFI this Summer,” (Dr. Kevin Bauder).
The uproar began over a message delivered by Dr. Dan Sweatt at the FBFI South Regional Fellowship in April. You can read details in this article, The IFB & Calvinism: Flashpoint!
First at the height of, and then later as the uproar over Sweatt’s message began to subside, two articles were published by Dr. Kevin Bauder (President, Central Baptist Theological Seminary). Both were posted at the *Sharper Iron blog. In order they were: Time to Speak Up & Nuff Said.
Both articles contain remarks that many believe to be ill-timed, inflammatory criticisms of several historic Independent Fundamental Baptist preachers. In Time to Speak Up, Dr. Bob Jones. Jr.(among others) was targeted by Bauder. Dr. John R. Rice was singled out for expanded criticism in Bauder’s second article.
In his Nuff Said article Bauder raised the issue of calls for his removal from the platform of the FBFI this summer. Dr. Bauder wrote,
I included the early portion of the paragraph above to exemplify why I believe other men have been moved to call for Bauder’s removal from the FBFI platform. If Bauder wanted to make incendiary comments (more examples of which to follow) to motivate men to call for his removal he did a fine job of it. “Burn incense to the emperors,” is not innocent “Bauderian hyperbole” as some might suggest.“Fundamentalism is still home to quite a few people who were willing to burn incense to the emperors. Those people are very unhappy with the way things are going at the moment. They would like to see the FBFI leadership denounce me and a few others in no uncertain terms. Some would like me to be removed from the platform of the FBFI this summer. They have communicated their wishes to the leaders of the FBFI.”
I do not know which men Bauder had in mind above, but I am adding my name to the men who he states have been encouraging the FBFI leadership to excuse him from speaking at the upcoming FBFI 89th Annual Fellowship.
Through the two articles Bauder, of his own volition, made himself a lighting rod for controversy in the IFB community. He has become no less controversial than Dr. Sweatt from the other end of the controversy.
What are some reasons why Dr. Bauder should not be a featured speaker at the FBFI annual fellowship. Depending on whom you ask, those reasons might include, but not be limited to:
1) His rhetoric about Dr. Bob Jones Jr. has never been retracted. Dr. Bob Jr. was a big part of the FBF in yesteryear. Should an FBFI speaker be allowed to publicly (as one man noted to me) “throw Dr. Jones under the bus and nothing be done about it?” What message is sent when an open attack against Dr. Bob Jones is tolerated with no response or consequences whatsoever?
2) His comments about Dr. Rice were highly inflammatory as **John Himes expressly indicated in the (closed) SI thread. For example Himes wrote,
Can anyone explain how Bauder’s remarks contribute to healing the rift in the IFB community and promotes reconciliation and growth? How are men edified when in Bauder’s last two articles we are treated to harsh criticisms of men who were Fundamentalist leaders in their generation?“Again, I am very disappointed at the language Bauder uses against his fellow fundamentalists, evidently chiefly against Rice: ‘pugilistic and bellicose,’ ‘alpha males,’ ‘the big boys,’ ‘bullies,’ ‘chieftains,’ etc. Is this the kind of language a fundamentalist leader should use?”
In the brochure for FBFI annual fellowship there are no message titles noted for each of the keynote speakers. What guarantees do we have that Bauder will refrain from a continuation these critical themes during his Wednesday morning address to the annual fellowship attendees?
The difference before us is that Sweatt’s message in April apparently took the FBFI membership by complete surprise. The reaction, however, was swift from the offended parties and the FBFI responded in an appropriate official manner. With Dr. Bauder, however, he has prior to the annual fellowship given a public offense and refuses to publicly discuss or retract his statements. Instead of being a calming influence Bauder reignited passions with stinging criticism and incendiary remarks in regard to men from our Fundamentalist heritage. In light of those remarks why should men not be just as troubled with Bauder retaining a platform presence at the annual fellowship as men who were offended by Dr. Sweatt’s remarks would be if he (Sweatt) were seated there as well?
With an opportunity before him to promote unity, healing and reconciliation in the IFB community Dr. Bauder chose to pursue a different tact. Instead he further polarized factions, alienated many and fueled further division among men in and around the FBFI. I can’t imagine a more unnecessary, unwise and ill-timed moment as this juncture in the chain of events for Bauder to publish sharp criticism of widely respected men from our own IFB heritage.
The FBFI’s official response Speak the Truth in Love to the tumultuous discussion and disagreement that followed the message by Dr. Sweatt included the following statement,
Dr. Bauder’s criticisms of Dr. Jones and Dr. Rice was not speech that edifies. It was not a display of Christ-like love. Bauder’s tone was not the sound of humble integrity. The caricatures of Jones and Rice, while barely skirting personal attacks, certainly did not honor the Lord or those men. It is irrefutable that the speech with which Dr. Bauder described Drs. Jones and Rice is antithetical to what the FBFI leadership called for.“We must honor our biblical responsibility to use speech that edifies and displays Christ-like love. We must demonstrate an unwavering commitment to humble integrity. Caricatures and personal attacks do not honor the Lord or advance His work. Neither pulpit nor keyboard exempt us from these biblical obligations.”
How does Kevin Bauder’s rhetoric about Fundamentalists of yesteryear serve in the best interest of the FBFI and a potential healing of the widening fracture in the broader IFB community?
In my opinion the most honorable thing Dr. Bauder can do would be to excuse himself from speaking at the 2009 FBFI annual fellowship. He would do well to acknowledge his sharp criticisms of Dr. Jones, Jr. and Dr. Rice were ill-timed and harmful to the efforts of the FBFI to restore calm and charity among IFB men just ahead of the annual fellowship. In the best interest of the overall body of IFB believers Dr. Bauder should acknowledge his remarks were not helpful, apologize for and repent of them. Realizing the high improbability of that decision coming from Bauder I will close with the following.
Kevin Bauder’s recent actions justify calls for his being relieved from any speaking assignments at this year’s FBFI annual fellowship. That action will be a strong signal to any man, regardless of stature and/or theological pedigree, that there will be no tolerance for any man who intends to follow Bauder’s example and tone, which at present is contributing to the polarization of the IFB community.
Unless Dr. Bauder retracts his inflammatory rhetoric in regard to Dr. Bob Jones, Jr. and Dr. John R. Rice, men are justified in calling on the FBFI leadership to remove him from the platform for the upcoming annual fellowship. To reiterate from above: In light of Dr. Bauder’s Time to Speak Up and Nuff Said men are completely justified to be just as disturbed by his being given a platform presence at the FBFI Annual fellowship as men who object to Dr. Sweatt’s remarks at the FBFI South Regional Fellowship would be if Dr. Sweatt were to be featured.
In the best interest of balance and encouraging all FBFI members toward, “speech that edifies” and “an unwavering commitment to humble integrity” I am joining other men in calling on the FBFI leadership to prayerfully consider removing Dr. Kevin Bauder from the platform for the upcoming annual fellowship.
LM
In Defense of the Gospel
"Let your speech be always with grace, seasoned with salt, that ye may know how ye ought to answer every man," (Colossians 4:6.)
Much ado about nothing. Seriously. You guys need to get over yourselves.
Act as free men, and do not use your freedom as a covering for evil, but use it as bondslaves of God. Gal 5:13
Hey guys, let's make a group so we can depend on each other to support our independence from each other. If one of us Independents starts acting too independent well make sure to kick him out of our dependent group of independents, but only if enough people think it's a good idea.
They don't seem very independent to me.
DISCLAIMER: I'm not trying to side with any of these men. This is just the 20,000 foot view from an outsider. I don't know much about the personalities involved or their positions; I'm independent.
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likeuntohim - my name is my license to post
good one!
and by no means let us hear an opinion that differs from our own, since we are independent.
While I personally probably would not have Bauder speak in my church, and though I disagree with both the tone and content of the articles of his in question, I fail to see two pertinent things:
- Why should this particular brouhaha be brought to the FFF? What good can it do to attack Bauder on here for attacking Jones/Rice, and call for a revocation of a speaking engagement of his which you did not offer?
- Why should these things mean he cannot speak at the annual FBFI meeting?...in my experience, Bauder, though mostly wrong on this issue, is a man of substance and influence. He has historically been a part of the FBFI, in my understanding. By all means, let him preach then.
I could be wrong, but here's my perception of Lou, both here and on Sharper Iron:
"As for a person who stirs up division, after warning him once and then twice, have nothing more to do with him, knowing that such a person is warped and sinful; he is self-condemned."
And Lou, ask yourself: are you known for your love? Since that is the greatest commandment?
I have friends among the Rice family, and have known some of the men you are defending personally. I love aspects of them, the parts that reflected Christ, but if they are now with the Lord, they would be quick to admit where they missed the mark. It would wrong for us to continue their error when THEY wouldn't even do so, knowing what they now know.
Last edited by Mercy; 05-29-2009 at 02:51 PM.
Well, I know one thing. People are waiting with baited hooks, er breath, to find out what happens. I won't sleep tonight.
ChuckBob
Two things come to mind...
1. Lou suffers from illusions of grandeur!2. Color me surprised...the IFB world draws ever smaller by "factions over fractions." (Just thought that one up but I like it.) A big to-do over nothing that will result in fights and ruined friendships. All in the name of defending two imperfect guys....one (BJ Jr.) who was a master of divisiveness.
Last edited by just john; 05-29-2009 at 07:17 PM.
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"They don’t grasp true grace and virtue, so they have to invent false virtues. False virtues are handy tools.
They feed your ego while giving you excuses to alienate and demonize the people Christ died for". - Pita
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Hey Lou, just find a phone booth, or more appropriate a portable toilet, and let the whole FBFI membership, and all those who have ever heard of it, fight it out.
There should be enough room in there to have dinner on the grounds when the fight is over.![]()
"The Real Novice" "I do think your divorce looms much bigger than Marty's affair to be fair".
"pastor" TRB "if the only way people come to my church is if they can dress in t shirts and jeans, I don't need them."
pastor marty Braymore "is that a banana in your pocket, or are you just happy to see me?"
Another gem from our resident broad jumper now in exile in Florida:"Which is why you sister marrying, grit eating, barefoot hicks lost the Civil War"