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    Old 12-08-2006, 09:09 PM
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    Was Christ punished for the sin of rejecting Christ?

    Was the debtor forgiven but was still punished for the debt?
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    I am not a Christian, so, of course, there are going to be some things you regard as evil that I do not.
    Coming from the person who authored the internet article, "I Want To Be Gay", authors soft core adult sites, makes lewd underground films, introduces young girls into a life of pornography and abuse, and promotes himself as a former media coordinator for Atheists United, is it any wonder his chosen screen name is about a dark pentecost?!
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    Old 12-08-2006, 09:39 PM
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    Was the debtor forgiven but was still punished for the debt?
    no, the debtor was not fully forgiven. When God forgives He doesn't unforgive later on.

    Now, was Christ punished for the sin of rejecting Christ?
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    no, the debtor was not fully forgiven. When God forgives He doesn't unforgive later on.

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    no, the debtor was not fully forgiven. When God forgives He doesn't unforgive later on.
    So, you are stating that Christ was in error for using that parable or including such a detail?

    Matthew 18:23 Therefore is the kingdom of heaven likened unto a certain king, which would take account of his servants. ...
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    I am not a Christian, so, of course, there are going to be some things you regard as evil that I do not.
    Coming from the person who authored the internet article, "I Want To Be Gay", authors soft core adult sites, makes lewd underground films, introduces young girls into a life of pornography and abuse, and promotes himself as a former media coordinator for Atheists United, is it any wonder his chosen screen name is about a dark pentecost?!

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    rejection of Christ is a sin.
    Punishable by eternity in hell.
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    Now, was Christ punished for the sin of rejecting Christ?
    Yes and No.

    Yes he bore our sins upon the cross and the chastisement of our peace was upon him. But no, He is not in hell and will not spend eternity there.

    Loaded question.
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    I am not a Christian, so, of course, there are going to be some things you regard as evil that I do not.
    Coming from the person who authored the internet article, "I Want To Be Gay", authors soft core adult sites, makes lewd underground films, introduces young girls into a life of pornography and abuse, and promotes himself as a former media coordinator for Atheists United, is it any wonder his chosen screen name is about a dark pentecost?!
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    Old 12-10-2006, 11:23 PM
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    Yes and No.

    Yes he bore our sins upon the cross and the chastisement of our peace was upon him. But no, He is not in hell and will not spend eternity there.

    Loaded question.
    you still didn't answer the question Pappa. Was Christ punished for the sin of rejecting Christ? I say 'yes', but only for the elect. What do you say?
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    Old 12-10-2006, 11:26 PM
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    you still didn't answer the question Pappa.

    You were answered in post #85. I can't help it if you didn't LIKE the answer to a loaded question, but that is the answer you get.
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    I am not a Christian, so, of course, there are going to be some things you regard as evil that I do not.
    Coming from the person who authored the internet article, "I Want To Be Gay", authors soft core adult sites, makes lewd underground films, introduces young girls into a life of pornography and abuse, and promotes himself as a former media coordinator for Atheists United, is it any wonder his chosen screen name is about a dark pentecost?!
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    You were answered in post #85. I can't help it if you didn't LIKE the answer to a loaded question, but that is the answer you get.
    'yes and no' is not an answer. it's a dodge.

    Christ was either punished for the sin of rejecting Christ or he wasn't. He wasn't both punished and not punished at the same time.

    was Christ punished for the sin of rejecting Christ? yes or no.
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    'yes and no' is not an answer.
    Yes, it is. Live with it and quit your whining.
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    I am not a Christian, so, of course, there are going to be some things you regard as evil that I do not.
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    The Death of Death in the Death of Christ, by John Owen (1616-1683)

    No refutation of this work has ever been written.
    That is an odd statement that shows more your earnest desire than your knowledge.

    I like John Owen. His commentary on Hebrews was highly useful to me when I wrote my book on the Blood Doctrine, because John Owen was attacking exactly the same beliefs I was attacking, regarding Christ's work on the cross. In Owen's time, the people who held the doctrine were called Socinians, who were predecessors to Unitarians.

    I believe that John Owen is incorrect about the doctrine of limited atonement. I also believe that God only offers Salvation to man; man may accept it or reject it. Now, even Calvinists could agree that man may accept or reject Salvation--and Scripture forces them to do so, because Scripture records many instances in which people or groups of people rejected God's Salvation. The key is the reason that people accept or reject God's Salvation; the Calvinist tells us that people accept God's Salvation because those people are predestined to accept God's Salvation. I do not claim that is incorrect, as Scripture states that "those whom he foreknew he predestined." But, the point remains that people either accept or reject Salvation.

    It is not possible to reject something that was not offered. If Christ did not die for all men, universally, then He did not offer Salvation to all men. If Christ only died for the Redeemed, then no man could reject Christ, because they were never offered Christ.

    Those who looked at the brass serpent that Moses raised in the wilderness were saved from the death of the firey serpents that bit the Israelites. Those who did not look, died. The serpent was universally offered to all; those who were biten could accept or reject the offer.

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