YOUR QUOTE:The only vocal ones FOR the HH "ministry" and Ron Williams have been you, Just a Fragment, Shiloh, Michele Dickey in her various incarnations, and Ebenezer. You haven't gained a single supporter that wasn't already a supporter. YOU don't know that! There are more people who support HH on this forum than you realize...they don't post, just observe...I have received PM's from them....

Is that better?

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Everyone wishes to have truth on his side, but it is not everyone that sincerely wishes to be on the side of truth. -Whately

Wow, amazing. Michele used to do that big letter thing, too. Anyway, support done in private may as well not exist. I could tell you I had all kinds of PM's denouncing Ron Williams, but that doesn't make it so.

Your credibility in this matter isn't flawless, you know.

These so-called private supporters, IF they exist, must be ashamed to stand up and speak out PUBLICLY for their hero. What does THAT say for their supposed love and loyalty to their friend and hero, HMMMMMM?

How long can you stand there in the face of such grave crimes against children and make excuses for the abuser. Have you no shame? I still have nightmares and flashbacks of HH. A couple weeks ago I started crying for no reason as I realized I was folding my stupid socks the way HH taught us to fold them. I refolded every pair in my home and then tried to sit there and figure out why something so small could hurt so badly.

You want to know the truth? I have read every single unsigned statement that you are posting here…and I read them with a broken heart, because I care about these women. I know where these women are mentally and spiritually. Do you? Can you even imagine the horrors they have been through? They are all, every single one of these women, my dear sisters, no matter where they fall in this issue and I will never speak against them. I will however always pray for them. I pray that they will truly see God’s love for them, despite the horrific abuse meted out on them in the name of God. I pray every day that they will someday come to realize that the Williams do NOT represent the reality that is our loving heavenly Father.

FreedomSoar--

people who observe without posting are not vocal.

you're welcome.

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2 John 1:7 For many deceivers are entered into the world, who confess not that Jesus Christ is come in the flesh. This is a deceiver and an antichrist.

FS, I think it is shameless that you have brought this conflict to the Praise Forum. Why don't you take it back to the Fighting Forum where it belongs.





p.s. Do you have kids? The internet is forever, your kids could read how you treat the victims of abuse.

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The above post is the opinion of MailMan. It is right, should be yours, and will be.

Excuse me Sir, I did not bring any conflict into anything....I simply posted a testimony I thought was a blessing. Amy and you and a few others are the ones who brought the conflict in. I will continue to post them here because a testimony is not a fight, but a show of what God has done in and through a formerly troubled life.

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Everyone wishes to have truth on his side, but it is not everyone that sincerely wishes to be on the side of truth. -Whately

Amy, please feel free to put me on ignore. I posted the testimonies not to make you angry, but to show people there are those who were blessed and changed by God's Grace. If you felt your time was horrible I am sorry. (I am not sure how folding socks the way they taught you should be so horrible.) If these who have given their testimonies were so horribly abused, I doubt they would have given those statements. I do believe they have truly seen God's love and that is what they are trying to get across. Yes, we do have a loving Heavenly Father...I do hope you will see that as well. If you are truly born again, then we too are sisters in Christ. Don't take that as on offence...I will say again... I do not hate any of you who hate HH.

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Everyone wishes to have truth on his side, but it is not everyone that sincerely wishes to be on the side of truth. -Whately

I have a problem with a couple of things in the first story. First of all, it annoys me greatly that a Christian School would admit a High School student who could not give a testimony of salvation. (Unless that CS is using it as a ministry to unsaved students as a few do.)

I suppose she could have lied about her salvation though. It wouldn't really surprise me. She admits to lying to the people at HH about her salvation and why not? After all, her family lied to her when they took her down to HH. Lying must have been considered acceptable to the people in her life in some way.

I really don't know why these people all seem to have to lie to get their children there. Most men are larger than their daughters and could physically restrain those who put up a fight. Lying is a sin, no matter if you are taking your daughter to a home or not.

Just a pet peeve of mine in this whole sordid mess. How do you expect to reach kids who are struggling when you are a liar or taking them to people who tell you to lie to them so they can get a hold of them?

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All things presented in the above message are MHO. Thus, even though they probably are right, you have the right to respectfully disagree with me.

Your post made me cry for you and all you had to endure.

I pray for you often and am asking God to show himself to you in a mighty way

(((((HUGS)))))

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Oh Grannylo, please do not waste tears on me. My heart breaks at the tears already shed on my behalf. Believe it or not, but I am doing good. Well I am doing far better than those young women interned at Hephzibah House now…So if you have sorrow, then please cry for them.