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    Default Man Worship is a Sin Against God

    The Man Worshippers sin against God when they hold men higher than God. God's sovereignty and holiness demand that He alone recieve worship. When we place anything above Him, such as a beloved leader, we sin against Him. "...the LORD, whose name is Jealous, is a jealous God." Ex 34:14

    Case in point. The Mercy Man (IFB Man worshipper) wants to start a thread about Dr. Roberson's achievements. Why does he not understand that anything Dr. Roberson did that will be rewarded in Heaven came from the Father? Anything Dr. Roberson did in his flesh is refuse for burning. It is true of all of us and a basic truth from Scripture, yet the IFB guys apparently never read their Bibles. Or perhaps they never read with understanding.

    Everything we have or recieve comes from the hand of the Father. To claim otherwise is deluded.

    God alone is worthy of adoration.
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    I guess it was wrong for the people to ,mourn over the loss of Moses, to much man worship!

    8And the children of Israel wept for Moses in the plains of Moab thirty days: so the days of weeping and mourning for Moses were ended.
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    Quote Originally Posted by bryan View Post
    I guess it was wrong for the people to ,mourn over the loss of Moses, to much man worship!

    8And the children of Israel wept for Moses in the plains of Moab thirty days: so the days of weeping and mourning for Moses were ended.
    As Dr. Kemp would say, that was "descriptive"...not "prescriptive".


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    Default In fleshing out Bud's response.

    Some portions of scripture are descriptive such as your example of Moses death. Others are prescriptive like the Gospels. Take your doctrine from the prescriptive, not the descriptive.

    Jabez's prayer? Descriptive. It tells the story of Jabez who prayed for prosperity and saw God give him prosperity. The passage does not teach that all who ask for prosperity will recieve it from God's hand. That kind of doctrine does not harmonize with the rest of scripture. Do not derive doctrine from descriptive (historical) passages.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Tacamoman View Post
    Some portions of scripture are descriptive such as your example of Moses death. Others are prescriptive like the Gospels. Take your doctrine from the prescriptive, not the descriptive.

    Jabez's prayer? Descriptive. It tells the story of Jabez who prayed for prosperity and saw God give him prosperity. The passage does not teach that all who ask for prosperity will recieve it from God's hand. That kind of doctrine does not harmonize with the rest of scripture. Do not derive doctrine from descriptive (historical) passages.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Tacamoman View Post
    The Man Worshippers sin against God when they hold men higher than God. God's sovereignty and holiness demand that He alone recieve worship. When we place anything above Him, such as a beloved leader, we sin against Him. "...the LORD, whose name is Jealous, is a jealous God." Ex 34:14

    Case in point. The Mercy Man (IFB Man worshipper) wants to start a thread about Dr. Roberson's achievements. Why does he not understand that anything Dr. Roberson did that will be rewarded in Heaven came from the Father? Anything Dr. Roberson did in his flesh is refuse for burning. It is true of all of us and a basic truth from Scripture, yet the IFB guys apparently never read their Bibles. Or perhaps they never read with understanding.

    Everything we have or recieve comes from the hand of the Father. To claim otherwise is deluded.

    God alone is worthy of adoration.

    Amen....a much needed thread.....it seems that few step forward to defend our Savior when a man like Roberson starts to take the preeminence over Him...
    "I really struggle with American Christianity. I'm not really sure that people with our cultural disabilities are capable of having souls, or being saved..People who grow up in a culture that worships pleasure, leisure, and affluence. I think that's where the church is doubly damned when they use Jesus as a vehicle for achieving all of that. Like, if you give a tithe, He'll make you rich" Rich Mullins


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    Quote Originally Posted by bryan View Post
    I guess it was wrong for the people to ,mourn over the loss of Moses, to much man worship!

    8And the children of Israel wept for Moses in the plains of Moab thirty days: so the days of weeping and mourning for Moses were ended.

    Roberson was no Moses.....
    "I really struggle with American Christianity. I'm not really sure that people with our cultural disabilities are capable of having souls, or being saved..People who grow up in a culture that worships pleasure, leisure, and affluence. I think that's where the church is doubly damned when they use Jesus as a vehicle for achieving all of that. Like, if you give a tithe, He'll make you rich" Rich Mullins


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    Quote Originally Posted by Tacamoman View Post
    The Man Worshippers sin against God when they hold men higher than God. God's sovereignty and holiness demand that He alone recieve worship. When we place anything above Him, such as a beloved leader, we sin against Him. "...the LORD, whose name is Jealous, is a jealous God." Ex 34:14

    Case in point. The Mercy Man (IFB Man worshipper) wants to start a thread about Dr. Roberson's achievements. Why does he not understand that anything Dr. Roberson did that will be rewarded in Heaven came from the Father? Anything Dr. Roberson did in his flesh is refuse for burning. It is true of all of us and a basic truth from Scripture, yet the IFB guys apparently never read their Bibles. Or perhaps they never read with understanding.

    Everything we have or recieve comes from the hand of the Father. To claim otherwise is deluded.

    God alone is worthy of adoration.

    I agree with you Taca. Man Worship is a sin against God, and men are prone to do this, I believe that is why God Hid the burial place of Moses, people would have worshiped him in the grave, Or his coat or shoes or what ever, I believe many churchs do this today, they lose a pastor and all of the sudden they act as if God cannot move in their midst God is handcuffed because they have no pastor, then they get a new one and all of the sudden they are happy because God can now get back to work in their church. The only thing I was saying is I dont think it is wrong to honor the memory of Dr Roberson or some of the things God accomplished through him. I think we are on the same page on this. ( I think)

    And not trying to stir anything up, but the guy in you avatr Todd Bently, I have some friends who are close to him, they say he started out very humble but People gave him man worship and he started to believe his own press clipings. Now he is getting divorced that is fact, their have been some other reports but when you are that big people will say all matter of things about you that may or may not be true. Watching him on God TV a while back and a few of his clips on youtube I do have a few problems with what was happening..... Again not trying to stir the pot just making a few obersvations

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    Default We are on the same page. I believe that God used

    Dr. Roberson mightly. God used him in spite of the fact that Dr. Roberson was not perfect. The same can be said of every man God has ever seen fit to use. And Thank You Lord! We have the assurance that God can (and wants) to use us despite our flaws.

    I have no problem with respecting Dr. Roberson and his surrender to the King. He is a fellow warrior and brother of mine. The fine line and problem is when some come in and hold him up as perfect (not giving their worship to God) and yearn for the "good-old days". There were not that good.

    Regarding Todd. You may be completely right. If so, he will join a long list of men who started off following God and being annoited by God, and then began to believe that their "success" had something to do with themselves. Sometimes that results in an instant crash and sometimes they continue on building huge oragnizations full of man worhip (Hammond? TTU? Crown?). We can guess at where that has happened, but God knows for sure.

 

 

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