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    Default Crown College vs. Temple

    First, let me say that I know almost nothing about Crown College, other than it has 900 students, was founded in 1991 by Clarence Sexton (a Temple alum, I think), is located in Powell, TN, outside of Knoxville, and is unaccredited.

    Now to my questions:
    (1) how does Crown compare to Temple in facilities, faculty, etc.?
    (2) why would Sexton have founded his own college, rather than backing Temple?
    (3) how is Crown able to enroll almost twice as many students as Temple?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Cider Jim View Post
    First, let me say that I know almost nothing about Crown College, other than it has 900 students, was founded in 1991 by Clarence Sexton (a Temple alum, I think), is located in Powell, TN, outside of Knoxville, and is unaccredited.

    Now to my questions:
    (1) how does Crown compare to Temple in facilities, faculty, etc.?
    (2) why would Sexton have founded his own college, rather than backing Temple?
    (3) how is Crown able to enroll almost twice as many students as Temple?

    Jim, Crown seems more hard shell ifb, more legalistic, more like Hyles.

    At the moment I would say that Crown has better facilities and a better (safer) location than TTU.

    Perhaps Sexton sees TTU as being too liberal.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Cider Jim View Post
    First, let me say that I know almost nothing about Crown College, other than it has 900 students, was founded in 1991 by Clarence Sexton (a Temple alum, I think), is located in Powell, TN, outside of Knoxville, and is unaccredited.

    Now to my questions:
    (1) how does Crown compare to Temple in facilities, faculty, etc.?
    (2) why would Sexton have founded his own college, rather than backing Temple?
    (3) how is Crown able to enroll almost twice as many students as Temple?
    1. Crown has a beautiful, expanding, new campus and outdoes TTU handsdown. Let's face it -- newer = nicer.

    2. Because Sexton is one of the last egomanial icons of Independent Baptist fundamentalism. Ask anyone who "used" to work to work for him and they'll tell you that he is a hard/harsh, driven, ambitious, at-time-angry, at-other-times-condescending, Type-A, Bully-ish slave driver whom you had better not cross unless you want ripped to shreds in front of God and anyone else who happens to be near. He wanted to be the editor of the Sword of the Lord and when he didn't get that, he started another empire. He seduced Dr. Roberson into appearing to endorse Crown as the TTU equivalent once TTU started having its own problems. But make no mistake, Sexton is a venerable kingdom (not to be confused with Kingdom) builder whose prowess at leadership is impressive.

    3. Because many of the old-guard TTU (aka, legalistic, fire-breathing fundamentalists) believe Crown to be the reincarnation of TTU and that TTU has left the "Old Paths". Plus, "newer" is sexier in the world of the superficial.

    Now if that honest reply doesn't start this thread rolling, then nothing will.


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    Default Crown versus Temple

    I have heard several times that Sexton wanted to build a school like "Old School Tennessee Temple"—an alternative to IFB types that felt TTU had drifted too much from the "old paths." It's no coincidence the school chose "Crusaders" for its mascot. It is almost as if the Crown supporters feel the school Dr. Roberson started and led ceased to exist in Chattanooga upon his resignation in 1983 and was resurrected 100 miles up I-75 in Powell, TN.

    Sexton was on pastoral staff at HPBC in the late 70s and remained close to Dr. Roberson until Doc's death. He had Dr. Lee preach at Temple Baptist, Crown College chapel services, and "preacher boy" assemblies quite regularly.

    I believe Mr. Sexton has made a conscientious effort to "take the mantle" so to speak from Dr. Roberson and continue Dr. Roberson's ministry legacy in Powell, TN. Critics have asserted that Sexton craftily used Dr. Roberson's friendship and approval to advance his own ministry aspirations.

    BTW, I have always found it intriguing that Dr. Roberson never seemed to oppose Sexton's idea for a Bible college that would directly compete with TTU. Though Dr. Roberson continued to speak occasionally at HPBC and TTU up until his death, many have noted that he felt more at home when at TBC and Crown.

    Cider you have asked about the facilities at Crown. Obviously, they have newer facilities than Temple and room for expansion, though it isn't exactly LU. Criticisms aside, Clarence Sexton is a visionary that has carved a niche within the IFB realm. He has no desire for his school to be a mainstream liberal arts college or accredited in any way. It is for the most part a ministerial school, training young men and women for IFB ministry. Sexton's clear vision is shown in his branching out to satellite campuses (Texas and the UK).
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    Quote Originally Posted by CalledOut61 View Post
    1. Crown has a beautiful, expanding, new campus and outdoes TTU handsdown. Let's face it -- newer = nicer.

    2. Because Sexton is one of the last egomanial icons of Independent Baptist fundamentalism. Ask anyone who "used" to work to work for him and they'll tell you that he is a hard/harsh, driven, ambitious, at-time-angry, at-other-times-condescending, Type-A, Bully-ish slave driver whom you had better not cross unless you want ripped to shreds in front of God and anyone else who happens to be near. He wanted to be the editor of the Sword of the Lord and when he didn't get that, he started another empire. He seduced Dr. Roberson into appearing to endorse Crown as the TTU equivalent once TTU started having its own problems. But make no mistake, Sexton is a venerable kingdom (not to be confused with Kingdom) builder whose prowess at leadership is impressive.


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    Default Temple Crusaders versus Crown Crusaders

    Cider, you asked for a comparison/contrast in the facilities and faculty of both schools. Several have asserted that Crown's campus facilities are newer and continually expanding. Since there is no attempt by the Crown website to advertise academic pedigrees of faculty, I think it would be a safe guess to guess that the TTU faculty is smaller in number (since the school is smaller) but generally more educated. TTU is at least officially making an effort to win SACS accreditation and knows it must have department heads with terminal degrees and a minimum percentage of terminal degrees overall to have any chance at obtaining SACS. Crown is unashamedly unaccredited in any aspect; therefore, they answer to no board or commission and feel no pressure from outside to hire the most educated faculty. I know Crown has some instructors with earned doctorates; I know one personally, Ed Reese. And I am not saying that Crown has no commitment to academic excellence or scholarship. I am just guessing (or perhaps hoping) that the TTU faculty is on the whole more educated. Again, because Crown doesn't list degrees of faculty on its website, it's hard to tell if I'm right or wrong.

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    Quote Originally Posted by rsteelecam View Post
    Cider, you asked for a comparison/contrast in the facilities and faculty of both schools. Several have asserted that Crown's campus facilities are newer and continually expanding. Since there is no attempt by the Crown website to advertise academic pedigrees of faculty, I think it would be a safe guess to guess that the TTU faculty is smaller in number (since the school is smaller) but generally more educated. TTU is at least officially making an effort to win SACS accreditation and knows it must have department heads with terminal degrees and a minimum percentage of terminal degrees overall to have any chance at obtaining SACS. Crown is unashamedly unaccredited in any aspect; therefore, they answer to no board or commission and feel no pressure from outside to hire the most educated faculty. I know Crown has some instructors with earned doctorates; I know one personally, Ed Reese. And I am not saying that Crown has no commitment to academic excellence or scholarship. I am just guessing (or perhaps hoping) that the TTU faculty is on the whole more educated. Again, because Crown doesn't list degrees of faculty on its website, it's hard to tell if I'm right or wrong.

    don't think Reese's degree is earned...and besides, its from HAC...
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    Quote Originally Posted by Motlow View Post
    don't think Reese's degree is earned...and besides, its from HAC...
    Yeah, after further review I became suspicious myself over Reese's doctorate. I like Ed. Guess since he is identified as Dr. Ed Reese in books he has authored, I gave him the benefit of doubt as to whether the degree was earned.

    I was able to download a PDF of Crown's academic catalog and faculty listing. This list presents the instructors names and their degrees and which schools they got their degrees from. Several instructors only had bachelors degrees; most faculty members have achieved masters level only (similar to Temple in that regard). Only one or two out of a faculty of fifty or so had earned doctorates. Temple lists several faculty with earned doctorates (more than in the past, I think), and most of its faculty have earned their graduate degrees at accredited colleges (with a few from BJU, TT Seminary, and Pensacola). I noticed many Crown faculty members with graduate degrees from HAC, Bob Jones, and TTU.

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    Quote Originally Posted by rsteelecam View Post
    Yeah, after further review I became suspicious myself over Reese's doctorate. I like Ed. Guess since he is identified as Dr. Ed Reese in books he has authored, I gave him the benefit of doubt as to whether the degree was earned.

    I was able to download a PDF of Crown's academic catalog and faculty listing. This list presents the instructors names and their degrees and which schools they got their degrees from. Several instructors only had bachelors degrees; most faculty members have achieved masters level only (similar to Temple in that regard). Only one or two out of a faculty of fifty or so had earned doctorates. Temple lists several faculty with earned doctorates (more than in the past, I think), and most of its faculty have earned their graduate degrees at accredited colleges (with a few from BJU, TT Seminary, and Pensacola). I noticed many Crown faculty members with graduate degrees from HAC, Bob Jones, and TTU.

    don't get me wrong, Reese could earn a Doctorate from anywhere he wanted....

    Most faculty at Crown graduated from Crown....I haven't earned my Masters in Inorganic Chemistry...yet...but I do find it offensive that some at Crown would consider themselves to be on the same academic level as me...that is totally false...how can a "institution" award degrees above the average education levels of the faculty...that is what they have done even with their Masters program....now they are going to offer Doctorates???
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    Many Crown faculty members with graduate degrees from HAC, Bob Jones, and TTU.
    Most faculty at Crown graduated from Crown
    Steele & Motlow have answered both of my concerns. Though I've never visited Crown, it sounds like a Tennessee version of Penscola Christian--nice facilities but unaccredited and faculty mostly from 2 or 3 unaccredited Christrian colleges, and many teaching at their alma mater (that's what some refer to as "academic insest").

    Granted, they have a very impressive website, and have a building named after Lee Roberson, but I saw almost no pics of any of the other buildings or facilities on campus. And you're right, Steele, they list their faculty but say very little about their credentials, unless you actually look in their catalog.

    One last question--does Dr. Sexton has any formal education beyond his bachelor's degree at Temple? I'm guessing that he probably has an honorary doctorate from TTU.

 

 

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