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    Quote Originally Posted by lilbilly View Post
    I agree...I am currently attending a "Ruckmanite" church in Indiana and they are pathetic in my opinion. The church is dead, there is no spirit there and no one new ever comes. Half of the congregation (that shows up), is senior citizen (meaning that they aren't bringing in new converts). There is never a word about soulwinning, or winning the lost. I have been attending fairly regularly for about 2 years now and have only seen 2 people get baptized and profess Christ as Savior. And one was the Pastors kid and the other a regular members kid as well. The Pastor will promote the street preaching, which has it's place, but never "soulwinning". They mention going out and passing out tracts, and putting them in doors; but never knocking on doors. And just about every sermon I hear, "rightly dividing the word of truth" and the dispensationalist stuff comes out. The pastor wanted me to help with the youth and be an assistant pastor basically, but I can't bring myself to work for someone I disagree with so much.
    I'm not super familiar with what they believe, but I do know where they're off...salvation by faith and works in the OT...etc. Can some of you help me here?

    Why don't they believe in soulwinning?

    Why do they think it's ok to have a church of 50 and never any growth?

    If you truly believe this church is not the will of God for you or your family, be the Husband and make a decision to move. You will hinder this church more if you stay than if you leave.

    If the Pastor reached out and asked you for help and you refused, then you are as guilty as anyone else for not helping the church to grow. He cannot do it all. He obviously needs help. You know what the PROBLEMS are, but do you want to be a part of the SOLUTION.

    I would encouraged you to help the Pastor to change the climate of a cold, dead church by helping with the young people and create a different environment for him and the congregation.

    God Bless!
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    Quote Originally Posted by lilbilly View Post
    I agree that I am not helping the church to grow, I agree. But my point is that they don't want to grow...the Pastor doesn't do anything but go Street Preaching and "witnessing" and I've never seen him bring a convert or anyone to church. If the Pastor isn't bearing fruit, and neither are the members and they never talk about what they can do to bear fruit, then there is an issue IMO. I would like to be a part of the solution, but I think if I took on the role of assistant, then I would probably hurt the church. They obviously don't believe in soulwinning like I do and there are many other teachings and practices I don't agree with.

    You might be surprised by how much your involement might help to change the outlook of the ministry there. Of course, I don't know your pastor or the church, but it could be that he has tried in the past with this group of people he has and he may not be able to "move" them. It sounds like he is probably discouraged in himself and has hit a wall. Again, this is just presumption.

    Trust me, if you helped to go out and knock on doors I'm sure he or anyone else wouldn't disagree. It sounds like they need a good push to get them back on track.

    He might be "testing the waters" with you just to see what you are willing to do. At least talk to him and see what his goals are with the youth. That will tell you about his VISION for the church.

    God Bless!
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    Quote Originally Posted by lilbilly View Post
    Can any of you who know this style church answer?
    Well, since I have spent some time in a "Ruckmanite" Church as well...

    First of all, they consider "Street Preaching" to be soulwinning. Lots of nice folks in a Church such as this (so long as you "Wave your KJV" at every cue) but they are dumber than a sack full of hammers when it comes to tact and social skills! They will often invoke the "God's word doesn't return void" scripture in defense of their street preaching tactics. They will insist that people are getting offended at GOD'S WORD rather than their personal BAD BEHAVIOR!

    Of course Fred Phelps and his ilk have taken such tactics to a new level.

    We actually tried door knocking a number of times but some chowder head deacon had the bright idea of using Ruckman's "What to do in case you miss the rapture" tract (horrific doctrine as you can imagine) which went over like a lead balloon. In addition, most homes in the area were locked up like fortresses with 6-foot wrought iron fences and large, unfriendly dogs in their yard. Those we did talk to were never receptive.

    Secondly, they will say that their lack of growth is a "Sign of the Times" that men will not endure "Sound Teaching" and so forth. I remember hearing a message from a certain pastor in Virginia Beach who said that in this day and age if a Church has over 100 members, the pastor is "Demon Possessed" (If I'm lying, I'm dying)! He also said that both Peter Ruckman and Jack Hyles were "Demon Possessed" in the same message.

    Recently, a friend of mine (and former member as well) visited this "Ruckmanite" Church and reported that (after 15 years) all of the "Familiar Faces" were there with very little growth to speak of! Many of the kids had grown up and had married some of the other kids in the congregation (very slim pickins) and one buddy of mine who was "Perpetually Single" had married a lady in the congregation whose husband wanted nothing to do with the Church and they eventually divorced. It seemed like one of those "We don't have any other options around so we may as well get married" kind of situations that I had seen numerous times in my IFBx sojourn!

    I would run, not walk from such a situation and find a healthy Church that the TWO OF YOU can agree upon and receive a blessing! And you may just have to set aside the "KJV ISSUE" in order to make this happen!
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    and KJV is not an issue with either of us...we both believe it is God's preserved word. Not "double inspired", but God's word preserved for us.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Gospel Blazer View Post
    You might be surprised by how much your involement might help to change the outlook of the ministry there. Of course, I don't know your pastor or the church, but it could be that he has tried in the past with this group of people he has and he may not be able to "move" them. It sounds like he is probably discouraged in himself and has hit a wall. Again, this is just presumption.

    Trust me, if you helped to go out and knock on doors I'm sure he or anyone else wouldn't disagree. It sounds like they need a good push to get them back on track.

    He might be "testing the waters" with you just to see what you are willing to do. At least talk to him and see what his goals are with the youth. That will tell you about his VISION for the church.

    God Bless!
    You are making some good points here that are worthy of consideration. Not all "Ruckmanite" pastors are "Ruckman Droids" and may be open to some new ideas so long as he is not worried about what his "Preacher Buddies" are thinking! Nothing wrong with trying to get to know the man. You can always be friends whether you decide to stay or not.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Blammo View Post
    Okay, that's good enough for me.




    Rascals? That's the one I'm most familiar with.




    That troubles me as well. But, as I said, I don't know anything about his divorces. Maybe the women left him? Afterall, he is rather cold and unbending. In today's society, that does not bode well with women.
    Neither does it bode well with Scripture...throughly furnished and all.

 

 

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