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    Default Disqualification as a preacher?

    The scriptures as very clear and plain for the qualifications of a pastor. Does this include an evangelist, Sunday school teacher, missionary as well?
    I have come across a large number of churches and pastors that have a mixed translation of this partial of scriptures. It is clear that the pastor must be the husband of one wife. Does that means one at a time? I don't think so, for even Christ said to even think upon other man or women is committing adultery already in their heart. And let no man put asunder.

    Now, here some argument with the rest of this scripture.
    1. Does a man have to be married in order to pastor, evangelist, missionary? It says "the husband". So if you're not a husband then you're not qualified?
    2. Does a man have to have children in order to pastor, evangelist, missionary? It also states that "having his children in subjection with all gravity". So if you don't have children then you're not qualified?

    I want some feed back on this. For you see, I have come across a mixed reaction of this while we have been traveling on deputation. I also know of an evangelist, a very well known evangelist, that has been divorced and remarried. Still to this day he is endorsed highly and has a very supported monthly publication.

    This has been on my mind for a few months now so I thought this forum my enlighten some thoughts.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Cinneide View Post
    The scriptures as very clear and plain for the qualifications of a pastor. Does this include an evangelist, Sunday school teacher, missionary as well?
    I have come across a large number of churches and pastors that have a mixed translation of this partial of scriptures. It is clear that the pastor must be the husband of one wife. Does that means one at a time? I don't think so, for even Christ said to even think upon other man or women is committing adultery already in their heart. And let no man put asunder.

    Now, here some argument with the rest of this scripture.
    1. Does a man have to be married in order to pastor, evangelist, missionary? It says "the husband". So if you're not a husband then you're not qualified?
    2. Does a man have to have children in order to pastor, evangelist, missionary? It also states that "having his children in subjection with all gravity". So if you don't have children then you're not qualified?

    I want some feed back on this. For you see, I have come across a mixed reaction of this while we have been traveling on deputation. I also know of an evangelist, a very well known evangelist, that has been divorced and remarried. Still to this day he is endorsed highly and has a very supported monthly publication.

    This has been on my mind for a few months now so I thought this forum my enlighten some thoughts.
    Those verses are referring to the only 2 offices in the NT church. Today, we have different names for those offices, but the rules still apply. IMO, if the man behind the pulpit doesn't meet those requirements he is unfit to hold that office. That specific individual tries to get around those verses by saying he is not a pastor, but a preacher. He does not meet the requirements set forth by scripture and as such is taking money that he has no right to. The "office" of evangelist cannot be found anywhere in scripture and has no basis in scripture. The evangelist of the Bible is the missionary of today. If a man is not qualified to be a pastor, he is not qualified to be a preacher, because he assumes that role when he speaks from the pulpit.

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    1 Timothy 3
    1 THIS is a true saying, If a man desire the office of a bishop, he desireth a good work. 2 A bishop then must be blameless, the husband of one wife, vigilant, sober, of good behaviour, given to hospitality, apt to teach; 3 Not given to wine, no striker, not greedy of filthy lucre; but patient, not a brawler, not covetous; 4 One that ruleth well his own house, having his children in subjection with all gravity; 5 (For if a man know not how to rule his own house, how shall he take care of the church of God?) 6 Not a novice, lest being lifted up with pride he fall into the condemnation of the devil. 7 Moreover he must have a good report of them which are without; lest he fall into reproach and the snare of the devil. 8 Likewise must the deacons be grave, not doubletongued, not given to much wine, not greedy of filthy lucre; 9 Holding the mystery of the faith in a pure conscience. 10 And let these also first be proved; then let them use the office of a deacon, being found blameless. 11 Even so must their wives be grave, not slanderers, sober, faithful in all things. 12 Let the deacons be the husbands of one wife, ruling their children and their own houses well. 13 For they that have used the office of a deacon well purchase to themselves a good degree, and great boldness in the faith which is in Christ Jesus. 14 These things write I unto thee, hoping to come unto thee shortly:

    This is what God said thru Paul. on the children I believe that if you have children then they must be obedient. Paul was a single man. He had no children.

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    I am divorced but can't get rid of the call to full time Christian service. I can see where good people can disagree on I Timothy 3:2 and for practical reasons, it would be hard for a divorced man to pastor; but I don't think that this should ban a man from being an evangelist, missionary or in some form of full time Christian service. Divorce isn't the unpardonable sin!

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    Honor the Lord, In all thy ways acknowledge Him and He shall direct thy paths.

    He is the one we will stand before.
    His Word is the standard.

    Robert Harvey

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    Quote Originally Posted by cesmith78 View Post
    I am divorced but can't get rid of the call to full time Christian service. I can see where good people can disagree on I Timothy 3:2 and for practical reasons, it would be hard for a divorced man to pastor; but I don't think that this should ban a man from being an evangelist, missionary or in some form of full time Christian service. Divorce isn't the unpardonable sin!
    The people who posted on here so far have NO CLUE what this passage is saying. They are PRIVATELY interpreting it, and by doing so have defined themselves as not throughly furnished and as false teachers.

    If you read Corinthians you will see that if a spouse LEAVES or VIOLATES THE VOWS of marriage that the other is FREE from those vows (as if they never happenned) and if they marry, or if they don't, they sin not. Secondly, multiple wives were a REAL problem in Paul's day, and this is OBVIOUSLY (in light of Corinthian explanations) what he is talking about.

    It is very simple: If Corinthians is WRONG then these morons are right about their private interpretation of Scripture...but since it is NOT...then we MUST interpret Scripure with Scripture. I trust Scripture...not some idiots private interpretation.

    I am blessed to be faithfully married to the same woman for over twenty-two years now. That does NOT make me spiritual or right...it makes me BLESSED. Any IDIOT who believes his wife has stayed with him because he is a "good" husband is crippled too high for crutches and thinks WAY more of himself than he should!

    Please allow SCRIPTURE to interpret Scripture!

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    You have called every one on here a moron.
    that is very nice of you welcome to the club.
    this entire forum stinks in Gods nostrils
    It does not Glorify God it is full of scornful people that want to murmur and complain.
    oh by the way God killed more of the children of Israel for this very SIN than for any other sin in the old testament.
    the only reason I came to this place was to try to find some old friends.
    I guess that is not going to happen.

    You folks have a very Merry Christmas.
    Let Christ be the center of your life.

    thanks
    Robert Harvey

 

 

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