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  1. #121
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    Quote Originally Posted by garza
    This much we know for sure. The Jewish religious establishment of the time had worked out a relationship with the Romans that nobody really liked but that everybody could live with. Anyone who rocked the boat threatened to cause that relationship to unravel and would have been looked on as a threat both by the Jews and the Romans. A few years later, of course, that relationship came apart altogether.

    True. And there were quite a few men along that historical timeline that claimed to be "Messiah", but only One that fulfilled prophecies centuries old, had a reputable historian preserve His memory, and eyewitness testimony written about Him from various authors that claimed He said He would resurrect Himself and actually did.
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    This is in answer to Ijiwaru Sensei who asked 'Why do you do the best that you can to help whoever you can?'

    Because I am compelled to do so by my moral code, which is, and since childhood has been, a very important part of my being. There are only three concepts. To help someone is good. To hurt someone is bad. To be able to help someone and fail to do so is bad. There are two parts of the foundation for these concepts.

    One is altruistic. We are here for a few brief years. We are alive for a short time between two eternities of not-being. When I die, I will become as I was before I was conceived. To give any meaning to this short life we must each work to make the lives of those around us better.

    The other is biological. We are all part of the same family, and we have evolved with a built-in compulsion to work for the benefit of the family, the pack, the species, so that the genes of our family, our pack will be passed down, and so that our species will survive.

    The violent misconduct we see in the world, the hatred among people who should be working for the good of all, is a violation of that built-in moral law that says co-operation, not confrontation, should rule our lives. When people are in conflict with that moral law, they are in conflict with their true nature.

    There is no law that says I have to go to the prison every week to help some of the people there. There is no law that says when September comes I have to spend a lot of money buying school books for kids I don't even know. There is no law that says I have to help elderly impoverished veterans have a decent life. I do these things because I am compelled by my personal moral code. If I were compelled by an outside force then they would cease to be moral acts. If I based my beliefs and actions on a hope of reward or fear of punishment then I would not be a moral person.

    That is why.
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    Something isn't working right today. My answer to 'why' somehow landed a couple of posts back. Or a least it did on my borwser.

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    Quote Originally Posted by anchor
    1) Every atheist is a fool. "The fool hath said in his heart, there is no God." (Ps. 53:1)
    Speaking as a believer, I think you are misinterpreting this. The passage does not say that all atheists are fools, it says all fools are atheists.

    The term 'Fool' probably means someone who is mentally retarded, as it did when Jesus was alive. The only people who would think that there is no God would have been mentally retarded, and then other atheists simply followed.

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    Quote Originally Posted by garza
    I don't worship at all. I just live my life, and do the best I can to help whoever I can.
    Why do you do the best that you can to help whoever you can?
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    Ijiwaru Sensei - I posted an answer to the 'why' right here, but somehow it got pushed up. Something wasn't working right at the time. Look back a couple of posts and you will see my answer.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Fundamental_H
    Speaking as a believer, I think you are misinterpreting this. The passage does not say that all atheists are fools, it says all fools are atheists.

    The term 'Fool' probably means someone who is mentally retarded, as it did when Jesus was alive. The only people who would think that there is no God would have been mentally retarded, and then other atheists simply followed.
    You're saying that all mentally retarded people are atheists?

    You're starting to sound pretty mentally retarded right about now.
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    Quote Originally Posted by garza
    This is in answer to Ijiwaru Sensei who asked 'Why do you do the best that you can to help whoever you can?'

    Because I am compelled to do so by my moral code, which is, and since childhood has been, a very important part of my being. There are only three concepts. To help someone is good. To hurt someone is bad. To be able to help someone and fail to do so is bad. There are two parts of the foundation for these concepts.

    One is altruistic. We are here for a few brief years. We are alive for a short time between two eternities of not-being. When I die, I will become as I was before I was conceived. To give any meaning to this short life we must each work to make the lives of those around us better.

    The other is biological. We are all part of the same family, and we have evolved with a built-in compulsion to work for the benefit of the family, the pack, the species, so that the genes of our family, our pack will be passed down, and so that our species will survive.

    The violent misconduct we see in the world, the hatred among people who should be working for the good of all, is a violation of that built-in moral law that says co-operation, not confrontation, should rule our lives. When people are in conflict with that moral law, they are in conflict with their true nature.

    There is no law that says I have to go to the prison every week to help some of the people there. There is no law that says when September comes I have to spend a lot of money buying school books for kids I don't even know. There is no law that says I have to help elderly impoverished veterans have a decent life. I do these things because I am compelled by my personal moral code. If I were compelled by an outside force then they would cease to be moral acts. If I based my beliefs and actions on a hope of reward or fear of punishment then I would not be a moral person.

    That is why.
    Found it. That was weird.

    I agree with you that helping others is good, hurting others is bad, and withholding good when it is within your power to act is bad. I also applaud your work with and for the prisoners, children, and veterans.

    But of course, being the obnoxious person I am, I won't leave you alone quite yet.

    You see altruism and biological need for community as the foundations of your personal moral code. Do you think these foundational principles are universal? If so, how do you respond to the person who says that the foundational principles to his or her moral code is self-centered ambition and personal autonomy? If not, can you really make any assertions about what is good and what is bad that go beyond personal preferences?

    You assert that we should be working for the good of all, but how do we determine what is that good? Why should one view be favored over another?

    You mention the "built-in moral law that says co-operation, not confrontation, should rule our lives," but on what basis can you argue against the person who holds the view that such a law doesn't exist?

    I guess what I'm really asking is how is good and bad to be determined? Is it a purely subjective matter or is there an objective morality?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Fundamental_H
    The term 'Fool' probably means someone who is mentally retarded
    What is it about atheist and the word retard that always seem to be on their mind?

    I think of a fool as someone being unwise or lacking sense. If you do something foolish you are doing something that is lacking good judgment.

    Quote Originally Posted by Fundamental_H
    Speaking as a believer.
    Quote Originally Posted by anchor
    2) Every atheist is a liar. (Rom 1:19-20)
    Your obviously an atheist and a liar.

 

 

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