The "Saved" and the "Unsaved"

[Otmer]

Originally Posted by Route_70

Your posts are full of such satire. Do you so expect to be taken seriously?

With all due respect, your wit weakens your position considerably.
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Satire - Irony, sarcasm, or caustic wit used to attack or expose folly, vice, or stupidity.

My friend, I ron sharpens iron - I may use "satire" to dull the blow of pain in knowing that the wrong is the eaisest turn to take - When I was an atheistic / agnostic, it was an easy path but took more faith in nothing that it does to have faith in something.

My position is not weakened - you lost faith, not because it was the plausable path but because it was easier and that the people who hurt you must be in the wrong.

I believe that God spoke and nothing became everything and He is the prime mover of all things real

You believe that nothing did nothing and in the process made nothing that thinks it is everything but really is nothing and is not the prime mover of anything.

I will spend my life, not in trying to prove that god is real and that there is something greater than man and his imagination exists and that we will some day answer to the question; "What have I done with what I have given you?"

You will spend your life trying to defend that there is nothing to defend and that nothing but now exists. Man is more than just a growth of mold on the rock called earth. He is made up of millions of cells, each with a specific job to do. Each cell more complex than the city of LosAngeles. There is a lot in Hollywood that created to look real but is just fake - but when added all together, some things move along pretty quickly and other slow to a crawl.

My God is a rock on which I can stand. Do I need to defend Him ---- No, He needs no defence. What he does, demands no apology.

Where you stand is slime, not easy footing and changing with every wind of thought. It is that which your world is created from and will cause you one day to fall into a pit from which there is no return.

Pascall may be ridiculed and his razor snickered at but it is sharp and will cut many asunder and send their parts to a dark and oh so hot hell.

Rambilng? Maybe - I can't sleep for the pain and nothing will dull it. For me, the pain will end someday; for you, just wait and see.

Do I have a bad attitude about it? No ---- I love you and am praying for you.

We all depend on each other like cells in a body - I am not at war with you - I am just sorry for the hurt that others have imposed on you to cause you to lose your faith.

I keep praying that the religious fools of this world who caused my own father to lose his faith will one day stand before a Throne that is higher than where we stand and say "What have I done?" I pray you wont.

Whatever you believe, I am your friend - if you wish to be mine, your choice.

You are not a mean person - Your book proves that.

Bro. Ott

[thedozerator]

So we're all guilty then?

It's just that the Christians have bought off the Judge?

[SouthernLouisianaGal]

Originally Posted by thedozerator

So we're all guilty then?

It's just that the Christians have bought off the Judge?

1. Yes

2. Jesus bought off the Judge with His own precious blood when He died for us on Calvary and rose again three days later.

Christians are just the ones saved because we believe this.

Romans 10:9 That if thou shalt confess with thy mouth the Lord Jesus, and shalt believe in thine heart that God hath raised him from the dead, thou shalt be saved.

[Route_70]

Originally Posted by Otmer

You are not a mean person - Your book proves that.

Yet you are of the opinion that I deserve to spend an eternity writhing in unimaginable torment in a lake of fire.

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[Duncan Ferguson]

Originally Posted by Route_70

Yet you are of the opinion that I deserve to spend an eternity writhing in unimaginable torment in a lake of fire.

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I'm not sure that Otmer is of that opinion. Mrs Ferguson doesn't have that opinion and she calls herself a Christian. But of course you realise that you used to think that yourself, of yourself, in a previous life. It certainly is a weird point of view. There are so many holes that it's difficult to know where to begin...

[Otmer]

Originally Posted by Route_70

Yet you are of the opinion that I deserve to spend an eternity writhing in unimaginable torment in a lake of fire.

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Only a person with knowledge has the right to have an opinion - You, very evidently do not know me that well - No one deserves such a fate (How I hate that word) - I think Calvin was a kook ( a sort of Pink one at that) the other side of the coin was a kook too.

Sir - I pray for you every day - I have for quite awhile - I try to watch my attitude for I believe that attitude is everything. You may believe that praying is a waste of energy but don't worry about me - I need the exercise.

As I told someone a few years ago (We were nose to nose and I was still in my 60s): "You attack me and I will turn the other cheek (once) - you attack my family, and I will go for your throat!" (They backed down)

So - as you see - I still have attitude sometimes - Yvonne tells me that I lost my temper (she was there at the time) - I told her, "No; I still have it!"

Your friend (whether you know it or not)

Ott

[Otmer]

Originally Posted by Duncan Ferguson

I'm not sure that Otmer is of that opinion. Mrs Ferguson doesn't have that opinion and she calls herself a Christian. But of course you realise that you used to think that yourself, of yourself, in a previous life. It certainly is a weird point of view. There are so many holes that it's difficult to know where to begin...

Duncan - 70 is just playing - That is why he comes here to the FFF - it is a diversion - But - I believe that there are no diversions with God -

One of my quotes:

" Diversion is just a delusion invented by satan to distract the deluded."

Thanks, friend - Tell your wife that I am helping her pray.

Bro. Ott

[Gringo]

Originally Posted by BandGuy

Saved people worship God for his mercy and grace. That is certainly different from how you, as a lost person behave. They also behave as sinners who are saved by the grace of God and have the conviction of the Holy Spirit constantly on their lives which brings them to a state of repentance and mortification of sin. They behave much like we see Paul behaving in Romans 7 and 8.

But I have been told in this thread that Christians don't always live sinless EVEN THOUGH they have the power over sin and that the reason is because they CHOOSE to sin.


If they are constantly mortified of their sin, why would they choose to sin?


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[Gringo]

Originally Posted by BandGuy

Saved people worship God for his mercy and grace. That is certainly different from how you, as a lost person behave. They also behave as sinners who are saved by the grace of God and have the conviction of the Holy Spirit constantly on their lives which brings them to a state of repentance and mortification of sin. They behave much like we see Paul behaving in Romans 7 and 8.

Well that only makes sense since according to you God has only granted his grace and mercy to certain ones: the elect!

Why would I, as a poor lost hell-bound sinner want to worship a being that denied me his sweet mercy.

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[SouthernLouisianaGal]

Originally Posted by Gringo

But I have been told in this thread that Christians don't always live sinless EVEN THOUGH they have the power over sin and that the reason is because they CHOOSE to sin.


If they are constantly mortified of their sin, why would they choose to sin?


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Because while it is true that we have a NEW nature, the old one will not be done away with until we lose this mortal flesh and take on immortality.