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    Old 11-04-2009, 06:58 AM
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    Oooh... do tell what "privileged few" are the pastor and priest equivalents for the nonbeliever. After all, if you're going to turn my words back at me, please understand what I'm saying first.
    I understood what you were saying, can you understand what I am saying?
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    Old 11-04-2009, 10:03 AM
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    Honestly, I don't understand what you're trying to say, because you've directly copied my words in an attempt to throw them back at me to make a point. However, you've said something that is untrue in regards to masses under the control of a privileged few, thus, making you not only incorrect, but making you look a tad foolish for the segments of my original statements that you've thrown back at me.

    The believing masses are all under the sway of the clergy, be it on their views of homosexual marriage, abortion, or women wearing trousers. These leaders influence the way their congregations think and act. There are no such leaders for nonbelievers. I know many who would say that people like Richard Dawkins are the "atheist leaders" but there are many nonbelievers who don't like Dawkins and/or disagree with him about certain aspects of atheism.

    There's a reason the term "Freethinker" is nearly synonymous with atheism.
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    Old 11-04-2009, 10:36 AM
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    Honestly, I don't understand what you're trying to say, because you've directly copied my words in an attempt to throw them back at me to make a point. However, you've said something that is untrue in regards to masses under the control of a privileged few, thus, making you not only incorrect, but making you look a tad foolish for the segments of my original statements that you've thrown back at me.

    The believing masses are all under the sway of the clergy, be it on their views of homosexual marriage, abortion, or women wearing trousers. These leaders influence the way their congregations think and act. There are no such leaders for nonbelievers. I know many who would say that people like Richard Dawkins are the "atheist leaders" but there are many nonbelievers who don't like Dawkins and/or disagree with him about certain aspects of atheism.

    There's a reason the term "Freethinker" is nearly synonymous with atheism.
    Hopefully this will help.
    http://atheismexposed.tripod.com/atheist_agenda.htm


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    Old 11-04-2009, 11:15 AM
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    I believe you are brainwashed and prejudice against Christianity, and that you don’t have a clue as to what Christianity really is and what Christians have accomplished.
    But my attacks are not directed to you personally, but instead to the ideas you subscribe to.
    I cannot help if you are so personally involved in your biased views, or that my criticism feels like a personal attack, but I feel that it must be done. The more we encourage such ignorant behavior, the more we encourage a highly-manipulated mob-minded mass which will act en masse based on the decries of a privileged few.
    Please stop regurgitating posts directed at you and replacing the term Christian with atheist.

    It's just boring and most of the time doesn't make any sense..
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    Old 11-04-2009, 11:24 AM
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    Thanks for the link.

    Good organizations those, I feel a donation coming on, I certainly can't see anything in their aims that right-minded people should object to.
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    Old 11-04-2009, 07:53 PM
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    That. Was. Hilarious.

    I pity the schmuck who wrote the "Open Letter to Hurt Christians Who Embraced Atheism." That person is obviously of the belief that the only reason people become atheist is because of some traumatic event relating to the church. The simple truth of the matter is that many of us simply thought about the basic doctrines of Christianity and realized that they couldn't be true. The rest of the site is unfounded speculation about atheists; meant to inspire fear and hatred towards us, when the vast majority don't really care about theism (with most atheists here being a notable exception.)
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    Old 11-04-2009, 09:35 PM
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    Please stop regurgitating posts directed at you and replacing the term Christian with atheist.

    It's just boring and most of the time doesn't make any sense..
    I like turning your words around and making them say things about you that you are saying about me.
    So don't say stupid things about Christianity and I will not have anything to replace.

    You guys are so entertaining and really a funny lot.
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    Old 11-04-2009, 09:36 PM
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    That. Was. Hilarious.

    I pity the schmuck who wrote the "Open Letter to Hurt Christians Who Embraced Atheism." That person is obviously of the belief that the only reason people become atheist is because of some traumatic event relating to the church. The simple truth of the matter is that many of us simply thought about the basic doctrines of Christianity and realized that they couldn't be true. The rest of the site is unfounded speculation about atheists; meant to inspire fear and hatred towards us, when the vast majority don't really care about theism (with most atheists here being a notable exception.)
    I'm glad I could give you a good laugh.
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    Polls cited in the Wikipedia article say only half of U.K. residents and 77% of Canadians are theists. Any thoughts?
    My thoughts are that such polls can't be trusted. There is a huge variability regarding UK data, and by implication, similar data from the rest of the world.

    I've been comfortable with the statement "I don't believe in the existence of God" since the age of eight. But I was in my twenties before I was comfortable with the statement "I'm not a Christian". The polls are not usually asking the right questions to the right depths. As I said I don't set much store by them. But there was a poll in the Guardian newspaper which asked two questions:
    1. Do you believe in God?
    2. What religion are you?
    This poll showed that half of so-called Christians in the UK don't believe in God. In other words, Christianity is as much a cultural phenomenon as anything else. This has roughly been my experience.
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    Old 11-05-2009, 05:31 AM
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    I seem to remember the Church of England priest who didn't believe in a literal God.

    Just googled it: Anthony Freeman - "God in us: A case for Christian Humanism." (1993) He was dismissed from his parish after the book's publication but remains a priest.
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