Don't worry about them; they want to read your testimony too. We want to know about the history of Jesus in your life and were some of the sexy parts after you became a Christian.
Don't worry about them; they want to read your testimony too. We want to know about the history of Jesus in your life and were some of the sexy parts after you became a Christian.
LOL - They still are - Have you seen my wife?????
Bro. Ott
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The one great fallacy of fundamentalism is that we actually believe that while we are confessing the sins of others that the Lord will not look as intently on our own.
As I have gotten older, I have tended to become less dogmatic over certain issues: "(1 Cor 2:2 KJV) For I determined not to know any thing among you, save Jesus Christ, and him crucified."
"In fact, if you wish to know how libertarians regard the State and any of its acts, simply think of the State as a criminal band, and all of the libertarian attitudes will logically fall into place." - Murray Rothbard
He that is first in his own cause seemeth just; but his neighbour cometh and searcheth him. - Hebrew proverb
I've posted the evidence many times. you just don't like it because it doesn't fit your presuppositions.
You've given speculation. You've given "personal testimony". You either don't understand what evidence is, or don't have any to present. You're also confusing presuppositionalism with skepticism. I'm more than open to the possibility of a deity; I just require evidence (of which you've produced none) to sway my judgment.
If it's "inherently obvious" as you've claimed before, then you should have no problem producing solid evidence of your chosen deity's existence. I know where your mind is right now, too. You're going through all of Kent Hovind's favorite arguments ("Something from Nothing," "Fine-Tuned Universe" and the like) but those are thought experiments, and neither one of them is a cohesive theory, nor do they present any evidence of a great deity.
If we're going to do this, Stephen, let's do it right. Present your theory in a nice topic, listing the types of evidence you plan to present, how they relate to your choice of deity, and how it all converges into a solid theory. I, as an opposing scientist, will make a list of the faults I find in your theory based on current scientific knowledge and the corresponding contradictory evidence.
As the one making a great claim, you must be the one to provide great evidence, are you up to it, or are you just blowing hot air?
You've given speculation. You've given "personal testimony". You either don't understand what evidence is, or don't have any to present. You're also confusing presuppositionalism with skepticism. I'm more than open to the possibility of a deity; I just require evidence (of which you've produced none) to sway my judgment.
If it's "inherently obvious" as you've claimed before, then you should have no problem producing solid evidence of your chosen deity's existence. I know where your mind is right now, too. You're going through all of Kent Hovind's favorite arguments ("Something from Nothing," "Fine-Tuned Universe" and the like) but those are thought experiments, and neither one of them is a cohesive theory, nor do they present any evidence of a great deity.
If we're going to do this, Stephen, let's do it right. Present your theory in a nice topic, listing the types of evidence you plan to present, how they relate to your choice of deity, and how it all converges into a solid theory. I, as an opposing scientist, will make a list of the faults I find in your theory based on current scientific knowledge and the corresponding contradictory evidence.
As the one making a great claim, you must be the one to provide great evidence, are you up to it, or are you just blowing hot air?
I await your topics.
A maze was created by a scientist who wanted to see how intelligent rats really are. He created a maze world for rats with different levels and greater rewards as each part of the puzzle was figured out. Within the maze he placed rats with many different levels of intelligence to see what the evolution of their society would become. In many ways the rats resembled humans in the way they came to treat each other. Because of over breeding the maze became a very small place and cruelty among the rats became frequent.
Two particular rats became the favored subjects of the study. Knavery Bounds and Won Faith were acquaintances but not close friends. The two had a lot in common because they spent a lot of time considering their world and trying to figure out how it worked and how it came to be. They were good subjects because they were able to advance higher and faster than most of the other rats in the maze.
As it turned out, Won decided that the maze was there because it had been created by someone more intelligent than he. But Knavery laughed at the idea and did his best to show the other rats that Won was ignorant. His theory was that since Won had no falsifiable argument to show that the maze was created by an intelligent being that couldn’t be seen, he had to be wrong. He pointed out that Won could not point to a single proof that a creator existed. On the other hand, he had plenty of proof that pointed to evolution as being the explanation for the maze.
Even Won had to agree that he had benefited by Knavery’s experiments, and the rats were much better off because of what he had been able to prove. But Won realized that all Knavery’s experiments couldn’t explain all the answers of how such a complex maze was able to evolve, or how it began in the first place. So he couldn’t ignore the world he saw around him and deny the possibility of a creator.
Knavery was quick to point to the fact that if the maze was created by a creator, the creator had to be created first, so where did he come from? Won knew that he didn’t have all the answers, but he also knew that he could see lots of evidence that pointed to a creator, even if Knavery couldn’t see it.
As the creator of the maze noticed the actions of the rats in the experiment, he began to reward certain behavior in a positive way and other behavior in a negative way. Knavery mocked at the idea that his actions could cause some invisible being to react to anything he could do. He believed that his future totally depended on his ability to figure out quick and better ways of getting through the maze. While Won noticed that certain actions brought benefits that could only come from a source that couldn’t be seen or explained in any natural way.
So Won Faith lived his life having confidence that he could trust that the invisible being was able to take care of him and his family, and if he lived his life acknowledging him and doing things his way, they would be blessed because of it.
But Knavery could never allow himself to believe in things he couldn’t see and prove by a model that could be observed and understood. Knavery went on mocking and Won went on believing in the unseen creator.
Everyone in the rat maze benefited because of the things that Won and Knavery were able to learn by the many experiments they did trying to find the truth and make the maze a better place to live.
The creator of the maze continued to observe and reward according to the choices each rat made.
Once upon a time there was a fat little rat named Bingo. B-I-N-G-O.
He was scurring along sniffing here and sniffing there when all of a sudden, he heard the sound of chirping.
But not birds chirping. He knew that sound so well. It was some of his rat friends. So he followed the sound and smells until he came upon an opeing in the sewer line. He let himself in and down he went into a large maze. Oh what a maze it was. There were rats everywhere. Fat rats. Thin rats. Pretty rats. ugly rats. Rats Rats Rats.
Chirp Chirp Chirp!!!
Bingo sniffed around and went from one area to the other until he got himself dizzy. He spent hours in there. He noticed little pieces of cheese strewn all around for the taking. So, being the fat little cheese-loving rat that he was, he partook. Oh!!! This wasn't just any cheese. This cheese came from Hickory Farms. It was SO good. And all the rats were eating it. It seemed to have been placed for all of them. There was one little rat that had come to the aid of another little mouse, Mickey, who had fallen into a hole full of rat poo poo. The little rat so patiently backed up to the hole and stuck his tail down into the hole and chirped at his fallen friend. He told him to grab onto his tail and pull himself up. The poor little mouse did so and before he knew it he was out of the hole and boy, was he appreciative. They decided to eat together. So they found a pile of the most delicious bacon smoked cheese and they had a feast. Those rodents were so happy and full of brotherly love.
Bingo found a hidden crevice and perched himself there to listen for a while.
Later in the afternoon,he overheard a rat by the name of Won Faith. Mr. Faith was talking with another little rat. He had to listen real hard but he finally came up with his name. It was Knaver Bounds or something like that. They were just chirping away. It seems that they were disagreeing as to who built the maze. Bingo got the feeling that Mr. Bounds didn't think anyone had built it and Mr Faith not only believed that someone had built it, he knew who: complete with name, characteristics and address. Even though NEITHER rat had ever seen or talked with this builder.
Most of the rats were perched over the sewer lines listening. They were almost all in agreement: Knaver Abounds was a dirty little rat! He didn't believe what they believed about the construction of the maze.
That dirty little rat.
But as Bingo looked closer, he noticed that that "dirty little rat" was the same rat that had stuck his tail into the hole to pull out his rat friend. And his rat friend was perched up with all the others chirping away about how dirty Mr. Bounds was because he didn't believe the same as they did as to who built the maze.
The rats were almost in one accord that even though that rat, Knaver Abounds was a nice rat, helping his fellow mouse, the final determining factor as to his ratness was what he believed rather than what he did.
Somehow, the believing rats were under the impression that the builder of the maze had dropped those cheese cubes only for them but at the end of the day, Knaver Abounds had eaten just as well as the rest of them and they still didn't know who built the maze.
But that little mouse, Mickey never fell in the rat poo poo hole again.
Bingo noticed after they had finished chirping about the construction of the maze, the rats perched above who had been calling Knaver Abounds names, slowly came down and began to lick on him with rateous affection.
Once upon a time there was a fat little rat named Bingo. B-I-N-G-O.
He was scurring along sniffing here and sniffing there when all of a sudden, he heard the sound of chirping.
But not birds chirping. He knew that sound so well. It was some of his rat friends. So he followed the sound and smells until he came upon an opeing in the sewer line. He let himself in and down he went into a large maze. Oh what a maze it was. There were rats everywhere. Fat rats. Thin rats. Pretty rats. ugly rats. Rats Rats Rats.
Chirp Chirp Chirp!!!
Bingo sniffed around and went from one area to the other until he got himself dizzy. He spent hours in there. He noticed little pieces of cheese strewn all around for the taking. So, being the fat little cheese-loving rat that he was, he partook. Oh!!! This wasn't just any cheese. This cheese came from Hickory Farms. It was SO good. And all the rats were eating it. It seemed to have been placed for all of them. There was one little rat that had come to the aid of another little mouse, Mickey, who had fallen into a hole full of rat poo poo. The little rat so patiently backed up to the hole and stuck his tail down into the hole and chirped at his fallen friend. He told him to grab onto his tail and pull himself up. The poor little mouse did so and before he knew it he was out of the hole and boy, was he appreciative. They decided to eat together. So they found a pile of the most delicious bacon smoked cheese and they had a feast. Those rodents were so happy and full of brotherly love.
Bingo found a hidden crevice and perched himself there to listen for a while.
Later in the afternoon,he overheard a rat by the name of Won Faith. Mr. Faith was talking with another little rat. He had to listen real hard but he finally came up with his name. It was Knaver Bounds or something like that. They were just chirping away. It seems that they were disagreeing as to who built the maze. Bingo got the feeling that Mr. Bounds didn't think anyone had built it and Mr Faith not only believed that someone had built it, he knew who: complete with name, characteristics and address. Even though NEITHER rat had ever seen or talked with this builder.
Most of the rats were perched over the sewer lines listening. They were almost all in agreement: Knaver Abounds was a dirty little rat! He didn't believe what they believed about the construction of the maze.
That dirty little rat.
But as Bingo looked closer, he noticed that that "dirty little rat" was the same rat that had stuck his tail into the hole to pull out his rat friend. And his rat friend was perched up with all the others chirping away about how dirty Mr. Bounds was because he didn't believe the same as they did as to who built the maze.
The rats were almost in one accord that even though that rat, Knaver Abounds was a nice rat, helping his fellow mouse, the final determining factor as to his ratness was what he believed rather than what he did.
Somehow, the believing rats were under the impression that the builder of the maze had dropped those cheese cubes only for them but at the end of the day, Knaver Abounds had eaten just as well as the rest of them and they still didn't know who built the maze.
But that little mouse, Mickey never fell in the rat poo poo hole again.
Bingo noticed after they had finished chirping about the construction of the maze, the rats perched above who had been calling Knaver Abounds names, slowly came down and began to lick on him with rateous affection.
Rats one; Rats all.
My my, what a difference a conversation makes.
Wonderful wonderful how wonderful it is when we get the rest of the story.
I always knew Knavery Bounds was a good rat.
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