We believe in one God,
the Father, the Almighty,
maker of heaven and earth,
of all that is, seen and unseen.
We believe in one Lord, Jesus Christ,
the only Son of God,
eternally begotten of the Father,
God from God, Light from Light,
true God from true God,
begotten, not made,
of one Being with the Father;
through him all things were made.
For us and for our salvation
he came down from heaven,
was incarnate of the Holy Spirit and the Virgin Mary
and became truly human.
For our sake he was crucified under Pontius Pilate;
he suffered death and was buried.
On the third day he rose again
in accordance with the Scriptures;
he ascended into heaven
and is seated at the right hand of the Father.
He will come again in glory to judge the living and the dead,
and his kingdom will have no end.
We believe in the Holy Spirit, the Lord, the giver of life,
who proceeds from the Father and the Son,
who with the Father and the Son is worshipped and glorified,
who has spoken through the prophets.
We believe in one holy catholic and apostolic Church.
We acknowledge one baptism for the forgiveness of sins.
We look for the resurrection of the dead,
and the life of the world to come. Amen
Anyone who agrees with that is a Christian. It has nothing to do with morality or moral teaching.
I've waited a few days to respond to this because I don't want it to seem like I'm arguing with you. But I never mentioned morality.
The things above, in the "creed" are what I was referring to except for catholocism.
When I mentioned the part about "Christians in deed" I was referring to where the founder of Christianity is attributed to have said that one must give up all to follow him.
Words are cheap. Claiming to be a follower of someone and then not obeying that person speaks much louder than words alone.
I've waited a few days to respond to this because I don't want it to seem like I'm arguing with you. But I never mentioned morality.
The things above, in the "creed" are what I was referring to except for catholocism.
When I mentioned the part about "Christians in deed" I was referring to where the founder of Christianity is attributed to have said that one must give up all to follow him.
Words are cheap. Claiming to be a follower of someone and then not obeying that person speaks much louder than words alone.
I could be wrong. I certainly have been before.
I wasn't even replying to you, Gringo - that was my take on the OP, or part of it. "Catholic" means universal and pertains to the whole range of Christian churches - the Catholic church isn't catholic in that way, although I believe that the Nicene creed reflects the more general usage.
My exposure to Christianity has been very limited. I've never been to a church service in my life without an extraneous reason. When I was younger I thought church people were either really nice or really grumpy - in short, like the rest of us, except they always had a reason. Little has changed, it would seem.
__________________ The only position that leaves me with no cognitive dissonance is atheism. It is not a creed. Death is certain, replacing both the siren-song of Paradise and the dread of Hell. Life on this earth, with all its mystery and beauty and pain, is then to be lived far more intensely: we stumble and get up, we are sad, confident, insecure, feel loneliness and joy and love. There is nothing more; but I want nothing more.
Ayaan Hirsi Ali
Duncan, how are you doing? This is Jim, formally Covenant Brother. JustaServant on the Catholic Answers Forum.
Thank you for asking - I'm doing just fine. I'm pleased to see you didn't continue with the emoticons. I thought you were somebody entirely different.
__________________ The only position that leaves me with no cognitive dissonance is atheism. It is not a creed. Death is certain, replacing both the siren-song of Paradise and the dread of Hell. Life on this earth, with all its mystery and beauty and pain, is then to be lived far more intensely: we stumble and get up, we are sad, confident, insecure, feel loneliness and joy and love. There is nothing more; but I want nothing more.
Ayaan Hirsi Ali
Thank you for asking - I'm doing just fine. I'm pleased to see you didn't continue with the emoticons. I thought you were somebody entirely different.
I was having a little fun for a couple days with that.
They seem to be tolerating me upstairs for the time being. It's hard to converse many times because of the immaturity. It's like being in a high school cafeteria.
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