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    Quote Originally Posted by RAIDER View Post
    Tom, when "The Donald" takes his turn speaking at the FBCH monthly Pastor's meeting, I think you will be blessed!
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    Quote Originally Posted by Sherryh View Post
    Walt, You're way toooo smart no loyalty needed they attend the church period. If they tithe that's between them and God.....

    I would love to get 25 business people and talk about issues concerning the college and church challenges...the leaders rise to the top. They give solutions not problems.
    I know Eric Capaci has done this, but you can't get blood from turnips. If the money isn't there, the people can't give it. The economy is THAT BAD.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Sherryh View Post
    Yes at least listen to what the business ladies/ men are saying you may learn something or you may say I already know that...............in this economy we can learn something. I would hope we have the values, principals, to know what is right and to know what is wrong .....
    A church operates as a non-profit. The problems facing non-profits, whether a college, church, ministry...or a secular non-proft (think agencies like Red Cross, YWCA, etc.)...are the same. They all need to know how to deal with budget issues in the face of dwindling income, HR issues, insurance issues, etc.
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    I could go on and on about this subject.............I can't give examples because I would have people calling me LOL! My husband and I could write a book on these issues. Nothing makes me mad but to hear a pastor say he has no funds.....................

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sherryh View Post
    I could go on and on about this subject.............I can't give examples because I would have people calling me LOL! My husband and I could write a book on these issues. Nothing makes me mad but to hear a pastor say he has no funds.....................
    I know of a church that continually operates in a deficit. They subsidize the church operations by borrowing from savings. Sounds good?

    Problems...

    1 - They are basically operating from a budget that has not changed in five or six years (yet the church membership is less that half of what it was five or six years ago).

    2 - At one time, they had substantial savings (another issue). Now they have whittled that down to a point that if there were two major issues (say, structure damage from winds, water damage from broken pipes, AC/heating unit failure, etc.) they would be hard-pressed to make the bills.

    Belt-tightening is not just limited to businesses. In these economic times, hard decisions have to be made. What do you cut? What can be scaled back? What is the best use of the facilities?

    One cannot put a price on souls. However, as stewards of God's money, we are obligated to make the best use of those funds in order to reach the lost.
    "Father, make of me a crisis man. Bring those I contact to decision. Let me not be a milepost on a single road; make me a fork, that men must turn one way or another on facing Christ in me."

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    tduncan, you're a man of wisdom..........God bless you!

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    Quote Originally Posted by tduncan View Post
    I know of a church that continually operates in a deficit. They subsidize the church operations by borrowing from savings. Sounds good?

    Problems...

    1 - They are basically operating from a budget that has not changed in five or six years (yet the church membership is less that half of what it was five or six years ago).

    2 - At one time, they had substantial savings (another issue). Now they have whittled that down to a point that if there were two major issues (say, structure damage from winds, water damage from broken pipes, AC/heating unit failure, etc.) they would be hard-pressed to make the bills.

    Belt-tightening is not just limited to businesses. In these economic times, hard decisions have to be made. What do you cut? What can be scaled back? What is the best use of the facilities?

    One cannot put a price on souls. However, as stewards of God's money, we are obligated to make the best use of those funds in order to reach the lost.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Tom Brennan View Post
    As I interpret this passage, it is not a call for the Christian to avail himself of the world's wisdom regarding money. It is rather for the Christian to look ahead, as the steward did, and use money to advance the cause of what he wanted in the future. The steward wanted another job, and got it. The Christian wants eternal rewards, and money properly used is a tool that helps us to obtain those future eternal rewards.
    Hmmmm, not sure we see eye to eye on this one Tom. To me the words strike a more literal chord. I just find the whole story and the summary of it quite interesting, "wiser in their generation than the children of light", then, "make to yourselves friends of unrighteous mammon." To me they just seem very poignant .

    But then again I am not the one pastoring, so that may affect the way I see that passage, lol.
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    My 2 cents.....

    If a Christian school is really a faith ministry & not just a business, then seeking the direction of God through prayer, fasting & operating by solid Bible principles should be paramount.

    It is wise for leadership of a Christian school to seek out the wisdom of business leaders but setting up committees of only business leaders should be avoided. Maybe having proven business leader on the board of directors along with Christian educators & senior pastoral staff would be good.

    Too many church pulpit committees are run by businessmen who are setting business criteria, like X number of years experience, certain number or levels of degrees, for a church which is a faith ministry. Most of the Bible character & many well known church leaders/pastors have confounded the "wise."

    Another maybe unrelated 2 cents......
    Building the lives of the students & properly preparing them for the future ministry is far more important than building the numbers for the church that sponsors the Christian school by using them to do so. With regard to a Christian college where many couples are starting marriages & families, there should be less demands on their time so as to strengthen & build those families than certain schools demand.
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    fish, a wise statement...............

 

 

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