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    It was a pretty quiet audience. Apparently some HAC'ers were snickering and rib punching and he stopped and made a comment about the snickering. He didn't call them down, but I don't they did it again. It was a good sermon.
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    It was a pretty quiet audience. Apparently some HAC'ers were snickering and rib punching and he stopped and made a comment about the snickering. He didn't call them down, but I don't they did it again. It was a good sermon.
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    He's flip flopping on Hyles' righteous and truly fundamental ways big time.
    Dr. Hyles for most of his ministry did not criticize other IFB ministries and churches. Towards the last few years, when sides were chosen up, he did take some other colleges to task over the KJB and local church issues, but such is the way of life sometimes. The tenor of most of his ministry was live and let live. Perhaps when JS gets older he will be critical enough for you GG. LOL
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    Perhaps when JS gets older he will be critical enough for you GG. LOL
    How about he be consistant. Is that too much to expect from the leading IFB church?

    He took a pulpit shot at Tennessee Temple when he saw on their website a promoted concert that had christian contemporary artists that Schaap was aware of and knew to be bad music.

    He takes broad shots at the Southern Gospel format, just because it has a few bad apples.

    And how about some continuity with the Hyles regime. Hyles hated Clinton. Schaap adores Obama.

    Hyles loved Roloff's wrecked plane display. Schaap, from the pulpit, said he doesn't like it.

    Schaap does a fine job of presenting a house of cards. You hear passion in the screaming bursts about sleveless dresses and rock music. But the gay movement, and abortion are sluffed off as "so what."

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    He took a shot at TTU- good one.
    he took a shot at southern gospel- good one.
    He adores Obama- bad one.
    He doesnt like the wrecked plane display- who cares!
    He is "so what" on abortion and homosexuality- bad one.
    The above results indicate I am a 2-point Schaapinist!
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    he took a shot at ttu- good one.
    He took a shot at southern gospel- good one.
    He adores obama- bad one.
    He doesnt like the wrecked plane display- who cares!
    He is "so what" on abortion and homosexuality- bad one.
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    How about he be consistant. Is that too much to expect from the leading IFB church?

    He took a pulpit shot at Tennessee Temple when he saw on their website a promoted concert that had christian contemporary artists that Schaap was aware of and knew to be bad music.

    He takes broad shots at the Southern Gospel format, just because it has a few bad apples.

    And how about some continuity with the Hyles regime. Hyles hated Clinton. Schaap adores Obama.

    Hyles loved Roloff's wrecked plane display. Schaap, from the pulpit, said he doesn't like it.

    Schaap does a fine job of presenting a house of cards. You hear passion in the screaming bursts about sleveless dresses and rock music. But the gay movement, and abortion are sluffed off as "so what."

    Defend that, Mr. Kool-Aider
    GG, I have to agree somewhat with you here. For those of you who do not hear js every week, he is very perplexing.

    While ripping women with open toed shoes or heels, he has praised Obama to the hilt. I don't mean just the biblical admonition to respect our leaders, it goes beyond that.

    I have heard him defend and quote the reverend Jeremiah Wright. If you don't know, he was Obama's pastor for years and is also a left-wing, radical, racist who hates whites and America.

    It leaves me scratching my head when you are not to point out the Biblical deviations of Obama on abortion, homosexuality, welfare, America bashing, etc. but you can be negative about another fundamental preacher who say something negative about js or hac.
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    GG, I have to agree somewhat with you here. For those of you who do not hear js every week, he is very perplexing.

    While ripping women with open toed shoes or heels, he has praised Obama to the hilt. I don't mean just the biblical admonition to respect our leaders, it goes beyond that.

    I have heard him defend and quote the reverend Jeremiah Wright. If you don't know, he was Obama's pastor for years and is also a left-wing, radical, racist who hates whites and America.

    It leaves me scratching my head when you are not to point out the Biblical deviations of Obama on abortion, homosexuality, welfare, America bashing, etc. but you can be negative about another fundamental preacher who say something negative about js or hac.
    Perhaps Schaap says controversial things at times in an effort to get out from under the "shadow" of Bro. Hyles and to make a "name" for himself. Does this make sense or am I way off base here?
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    Perhaps Schaap says controversial things at times in an effort to get out from under the "shadow" of Bro. Hyles and to make a "name" for himself. Does this make sense or am I way off base here?
    It makes perfect sense (please note that I am not saying that this is the case; only that it COULD be the case).

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    How about he be consistant. Is that too much to expect from the leading IFB church?

    He took a pulpit shot at Tennessee Temple when he saw on their website a promoted concert that had christian contemporary artists that Schaap was aware of and knew to be bad music.

    He takes broad shots at the Southern Gospel format, just because it has a few bad apples.

    And how about some continuity with the Hyles regime. Hyles hated Clinton. Schaap adores Obama.

    Hyles loved Roloff's wrecked plane display. Schaap, from the pulpit, said he doesn't like it.

    Schaap does a fine job of presenting a house of cards. You hear passion in the screaming bursts about sleveless dresses and rock music. But the gay movement, and abortion are sluffed off as "so what."

    Defend that, Mr. Kool-Aider
    You know little about Jack Hyles, yet you revere him. You know little about Jack Schaap, yet you pursue him. The second observation is old news but the first is something I never really appreciated until this thread. You have invented a hero for yourself that bears little resemblance to the real Jack Hyles. This would mean little if you were not able via new technology to so closely scrutinize his successor.

    The fact is that the Bible study on criticism that Jack Schaap gave - "8 Reasons I Am Not a Critic" (I think it was 8, could have been some other number, can't remember for sure) - could just as easily been given verbatim by Jack Hyles, Wendel Evans or Darrell Moore circa 1995. I even thought as much sitting in the auditorium when Jack Schaap began his introduction. It was stock HAC chapel material from any era you want to pick. This Bible study was completely unremarkable regarding its content and delivery. That you want to say that it was somehow novel or indicative of some great philosophical redirection shows that you completely missed Schaap's point AND/OR you know nothing about Hyles.

    RE Roloff's plane: Guess what, Rice's faded jalopy and Boyd's bee-infested bus have both been removed from "display". Should I take that as Jack Schaap's renouncement of their ministries? Let me know.
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