Funny how all of these people who "were 100%" behind Dr. Hyles are now criticizing the study of Greek and Hebrew.

Dr. Bob Gray, Longview (Twitter)

Dr. Gail Riplingers' new book "Hazardous Material" is a must read! Well documented & powerful! Expose of the fallacies of studying Greek!
4:11 PM Jun 27th from TwitterFon

Dr. Gail Riplinger:

Little is known about Riplinger personally. According to James Richard May, her educational background is in home economics.[3] It is unclear what qualifications she has in the issue of Bible Versions and textual research, since she does not reveal them herself. James White states: "Mrs. Riplinger did indeed teach at Kent State, but she did so in the Home Economics department, teaching classes in interior design."[4] Cornerstone Magazine has a review by Bob & Gretchen Passantino that says, "Riplinger has advanced degrees in Industrial and Environmental Design (a branch of what used to be called Home Economics) and taught Family and Consumer Studies and Retail Space Plans (Home Economics) for a few years at Kent State University in Ohio. When she is asked what facility she has in biblical languages, she says that as a school girl she took Latin, and after graduation from high school, she worked as an English tutor with Greek immigrants. On a radio program she admitted she could not read Greek or Hebrew."[5]

Dr. John Jenkins:

http://www.gracebaptistcollege.com/greek.html

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Very interesting, their "leader", Dr. Jack Hyles, til his death, not only mandated that his preacher boys learn Greek, but from the pulpit often espoused the study of Hebrew & Greek.

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The KJV translators did not condemn the study of Hebrew and Greek. The KJV translators maintained that the original language texts were the standard for the making and evaluating of translations.

According to its title page and its preface, the KJV professes to be translated from the original languages. According to its title page for the New Testament, the 1611 KJV's New Testament was "newly translated out of the original Greek." The first rule for the translating referred to “the truth of the original.“ The sixth rule and fifteen rule referred to “Hebrew” and to “Greek.“ Lancelot Andrewes, a KJV translator, wrote: "Look to the original, as, for the New Testament, the Greek text; for the Old, the Hebrew" (Pattern of Catechistical Doctrine, p. 59). Gustavus Paine pointed out that another KJV translator John Rainolds "urged study of the word of God in the Hebrew and Greek, 'not out of the books of translation'" (Men Behind the KJV, p. 84). In a sermon on Roman 1:16, Miles Smith referred to “the fountain of the prophets and apostles, which are the only authentic pen-men, and registers of the Holy Ghost” (Sermons, p. 75). In the preface to the 1611 KJV entitled "The Translators to the Reader," Miles Smith presented the view of the KJV translators as follows: "If truth be to be tried by these tongues [Hebrew and Greek], then whence should a translation be made, but out of them? These tongues therefore, we should say the Scriptures, in those tongues, we set before us to translate, being the tongues in which God was pleased to speak to his church by his prophets and apostles." In this preface, Smith wrote: “If you ask what they had before them, truly it was the Hebrew text of the Old Testament, the Greek of the New.“ Earlier on the third page of this preface, Smith referred to “the original” as “being from heaven.“ D. A. Waite acknowledged that the preface of the 1611 "had the approval" of all the KJV translators (Defending the KJB, p. 64). William Savage asserted that “the preface was written and affixed by the king’s command” (Dictionary, p. 39). Laurence Vance indicated that Smith wrote the preface “in the name of all the translators” (King James, His Bible, p. 52). Vance cited the report of the British delegates (including KJV translator Samuel Ward) to the 1618 Synod of Dort that included a reference to “the truth of the original text” (p. 47). John Eadie noted that the account of the Hampton Court conference written by Patrick Galloway, the king’s Scottish chaplain, [“an account revised by the king himself”] stated “that a translation be made of the whole Bible, as consonant as can be to the original Hebrew and Greek” (English Bible, II, p. 179).

Is that really what that "book" is about? That's a shame because I was hoping for more acrostics and letter algebra.

One of my few regrets from my time at HAC was that I didn't take more Greek and that I didn't get any Hebrew at all. It was certainly available, but I never made the time. It always bears repeating that GREEK ISN'T HARD! It is the simplest of any of the languages I've encountered; it is mostly consistent and systematic, two things that English isn't. Two semesters didn't turn me or any of my classmates into textual critics, just more capable Bible studiers.

BTW, if I understand the blurb on Grace's website, they are still teaching Greek to graduate students. They haven't completely thrown the baby out with the bathwater; he's just sitting on the porch.

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I, too, love the study of Greek.

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Yes, but you also loved the HAC sack lunches!!

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"Butter has no place on a peanut butter and jelly sandwich, you moron. Butter has no place on most sandwiches!" Unknown Hacker after receiving his first HAC sack lunch

Just the bags. They made great "sickness bags" after eating the food.

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There were plenty of bags to like at HAC (Teri, StrongBAG, SLG, and even you, Hackriotic!).

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"Butter has no place on a peanut butter and jelly sandwich, you moron. Butter has no place on most sandwiches!" Unknown Hacker after receiving his first HAC sack lunch

Okay, I just read the table of contents on the Ripper's website and I think I can save everyone some time and expense.

Executive Summary: Anyone that had anything to do with any Greek/Hebrew text, dictionary or lexicon currently available is of the debil!

Now that I've done you all a great favor (sparing you the trouble of getting anywhere near the Ripper's "work") I'd appreciate it if someone would return the favor. The opening chapters seem to claim that you can't find a good copy of either the Hebrew or Greek texts. From that I'd expect her to conclude that PRESERVATION IS BUNK! That sure isn't the conclusion I'd expect the Ripper to lead me to. Where did I miss my turn?

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Good for you, likeuntohim. It's sounds like you're reaching the conclusion that Riplinger is an utter crackpot.

I read her New Age Bible Versions from cover-to-cover a few years ago. I found it laughable. One of its major flaws is that she thoroughly confuses the life of B.F. Westcott [1825-1901] (he of "Westcott & Hort") with the life of a William Wynn Westcott [1848-1925]. She even somewhat admits to the confusion deep within one of her footnotes!

Here is some information on the other Westcott:

http://www.golden-dawn.org/biowestcott.html

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/William_Wynn_Westcott

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She repeatedly libeled B.F. Westcott by associating him with words & actions that were in reality those of W.W. Westcott.

I read a statement by Riplinger that said something like, be careful about people who make statements like, "in the originals" or "you could say that this way" or "what that mean is..." and so on. She said that you should be careful about people/preachers who say statements like that because it usually means that they have been reading or studying from the Revised Version. I think she even said that she had never met or heard of anyone who used those terms who was KJVO and who did not use other version for study or sermon preparation.

Interestingly, when I read that, I had just finished listening to a Bible study on Proverbs by Jack Hyles. I think those tapes were from the 60's or 70's. Do you have ANY idea at all how many times he said those very phrases during that study on Proverbs? Oh, MAN! Did I ever chuckle when I read her words. I thought, "Oh no! What am I going to do. Gail Riplinger is condemning Jack Hyles for reading and studying the RSV!"

As I read some other things. I found a magazine article about what Bro. Hyles used to say versus what he said later in his ministry. Apparently, when he was younger and when he was preaching with Bro. Rice a lot, he did use the Revised Version, but as he grew older, studying, and grew spiritually, he put away childish things and grew in his belief that they KJV. When asked about things he now believes that perhaps he once did not, Dr. Hyles response was, "...some people grow, and some people don't."

I studied Greek in college and loved every minute of it. I am sad that I only got one year of it. I desire to learn more. I too feel that it didn't turn me into a critic, but rather a more careful Bible studier. I look forward to even more study.