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    Quote Originally Posted by abp View Post
    "The former pastor of First Baptist Church of Hammond says in a new court filing that health and financial problems preceded a sexual relationship he had with a then-16-year-old girl last summer." Hammond pastor blames health, financial woes for his relationship with teen - Post-Tribune
    Former Baptist church pastor asks court for lenient sentence : Hammond News In her Oct. 15, 2012, letter to Judge Lozano, Cindy Schaap wrote, “My husband has made a tragic mistake during a crisis time in his life. We have and are seeking counsel to prevent such tragedy in the future. It’s Jack’s belief and mine that such behavior will never be repeated.” In a follow-up letter on Nov. 26, 2012, she wrote, “I do not in any way excuse the behavior of my husband, nor does he. I do not blame this 17-year-old girl for my husband’s behavior, nor does he. However, when I consider the fact that my husband was physically ill with a severe case of prostatitis, that he frequently complained of exhaustion, and that he was struggling with depression, I feel compelled to once more ask for your leniency in my husband’s sentencing.” No offense to Mrs. Schaap, but wasn't she aware that her husband had been in hot pursuit of Julie B a few years earlier? It seems like I can recall that she was also warned about Jack from long standing church members. For her to attempt to elicit a lenient sentence, when she knows otherwise is terribly sad and disappointing. I don't have a problem with her begging the court for lenience and mercy, but she ought to do it based on truth and not falsehoods. She obviously knows that her husband is a horn dog and to try and paint this as a one time slip up on an otherwise spotless record is dishonest. I do find it an interesting curiosity that Schaap pursued women whom he knew to be vulnerable and compromised. Sentencing Memorandum Pdf : Jack Schaap sentencing memorandum
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    OT: So every action is decreed by God, right? The rape of a 3-year-old...
    Mick: Yes

    Infants that are not elect go to hell to be punished justly for their sin.~Squirrel

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    Quote Originally Posted by Tarheel Cathlo-Baptist View Post
    So, you're saying the context negates what the verse clearly and plainly teaches?
    Please.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Invictus View Post
    Former Baptist church pastor asks court for lenient sentence : Hammond News In her Oct. 15, 2012, letter to Judge Lozano, Cindy Schaap wrote, “My husband has made a tragic mistake during a crisis time in his life. We have and are seeking counsel to prevent such tragedy in the future. It’s Jack’s belief and mine that such behavior will never be repeated.” In a follow-up letter on Nov. 26, 2012, she wrote, “I do not in any way excuse the behavior of my husband, nor does he. I do not blame this 17-year-old girl for my husband’s behavior, nor does he. However, when I consider the fact that my husband was physically ill with a severe case of prostatitis, that he frequently complained of exhaustion, and that he was struggling with depression, I feel compelled to once more ask for your leniency in my husband’s sentencing.” No offense to Mrs. Schaap, but wasn't she aware that her husband had been in hot pursuit of Julie B a few years earlier? It seems like I can recall that she was also warned about Jack from long standing church members. For her to attempt to elicit a lenient sentence, when she knows otherwise is terribly sad and disappointing. I don't have a problem with her begging the court for lenience and mercy, but she ought to do it based on truth and not falsehoods. She obviously knows that her husband is a horn dog and to try and paint this as a one time slip up on an otherwise spotless record is dishonest. I do find it an interesting curiosity that Schaap pursued women whom he knew to be vulnerable and compromised. Sentencing Memorandum Pdf : Jack Schaap sentencing memorandum
    Several ladies wrote to Mrs Schaap letting her know Jack was a predator, grooming woman during counseling, begging Cindy to stop Jack from counseling woman. Cindy was warned. The deacons were warned. Senior staff was warned.


    "It's never within God's will to divorce," Cindy says in women's conferences around the country. She goes on to give advise on how to affair proof your marriage. She wags her bony finger in shame and condemnation at the ladies who had "failed" this task and their husbands had strayed. I doubt Cindy will ever apologize for that crazy . Wonder how that is working for her? I think Cindy suffers from the same narcissistic personality her father did. I'm not blaming Cindy for Jack straying but, she should measure herself with the same yard stick she used to condemn others.
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    What the #3!! is going on with the rampant adultery in these IFB churches?
    Puke! Dear God please help me to never stray!
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    Quote Originally Posted by abp View Post
    Several ladies wrote to Mrs Schaap letting her know Jack was a predator, grooming woman during counseling, begging Cindy to stop Jack from counseling woman. Cindy was warned. The deacons were warned. Senior staff was warned.
    "It's never within God's will to divorce," Cindy says in women's conferences around the country. She goes on to give advise on how to affair proof your marriage. She wags her bony finger in shame and condemnation at the ladies who had "failed" this task and their husbands had strayed. I doubt Cindy will ever apologize for that crazy . Wonder how that is working for her? I think Cindy suffers from the same narcissistic personality her father did. I'm not blaming Cindy for Jack straying but, she should measure herself with the same yard stick she used to condemn others.
    Glover himself could not have laid it out more effectively.

    It should be required reading at hac and forced to be a plaque in every office.

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    Quote Originally Posted by abp View Post
    Several ladies wrote to Mrs Schaap letting her know Jack was a predator, grooming woman during counseling, begging Cindy to stop Jack from counseling woman. Cindy was warned. The deacons were warned. Senior staff was warned.
    I was pretty certain that she was warned by way of written letter from respected FBC insiders. What the deacons and staff knew about Schaap being on the prowl is speculative imo.
    "It's never within God's will to divorce," Cindy says in women's conferences around the country. She goes on to give advise on how to affair proof your marriage. She wags her bony finger in shame and condemnation at the ladies who had "failed" this task and their husbands had strayed. I doubt Cindy will ever apologize for that crazy . Wonder how that is working for her?
    Regardless of the failures in her own marriage, I think she is right in speaking against divorce. After all, shouldn't an ex-drunk speak against drunkeness??? I get your point about these fundy types wagging their bony fingers and all, but all of us should be thankful that everything that we have condemned haven't come back to bite us.
    I think Cindy suffers from the same narcissistic personality her father did. I'm not blaming Cindy for Jack straying but, she should measure herself with the same yard stick she used to condemn others.
    I imagine she does condemn herself... every single time she goes to sleep alone. My point wasn't to blast Cindy for being some expert marriage guru who got humiliated when her man got busted, rather my point was to take issue with her dishonesty in pretending like this was some out of the ordinary behaviour brought on by a significant number of stressors and compounded by poor health. She is ignoring the fact that Jack was after Julie B several years ago, therefore this isn't some isolated stress induced affair, rather it is part of a history of him seeking out vulnerable women. No one knows how long Jack has been doing this sort of thing, but it certainly isn't the way she portrayed it in her her request for leniency... which was sorta my point. I just wish that she would have been honest in her request. She has every right to ask the judge for mercy and leniency, but she doesn't have the right to lie to the judge, which is what her request is based upon imo.
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    OT: So every action is decreed by God, right? The rape of a 3-year-old...
    Mick: Yes

    Infants that are not elect go to hell to be punished justly for their sin.~Squirrel

    God wants sin to occur. - Bloviating Theologian

    God in his sovereignty can and does use some pedophiles in positions of leadership in gospel preaching churches to advance the gospel- Stephen

    Quote Originally Posted by Tarheel Cathlo-Baptist View Post
    So, you're saying the context negates what the verse clearly and plainly teaches?
    Please.

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    Quote Originally Posted by abp View Post
    Several ladies wrote to Mrs Schaap letting her know Jack was a predator, grooming woman during counseling, begging Cindy to stop Jack from counseling woman. Cindy was warned. The deacons were warned. Senior staff was warned.
    "It's never within God's will to divorce," Cindy says in women's conferences around the country. She goes on to give advise on how to affair proof your marriage. She wags her bony finger in shame and condemnation at the ladies who had "failed" this task and their husbands had strayed. I doubt Cindy will ever apologize for that crazy . Wonder how that is working for her? I think Cindy suffers from the same narcissistic personality her father did. I'm not blaming Cindy for Jack straying but, she should measure herself with the same yard stick she used to condemn others.
    I am unable to open the message you sent me... this forum is terrible.
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    OT: So every action is decreed by God, right? The rape of a 3-year-old...
    Mick: Yes

    Infants that are not elect go to hell to be punished justly for their sin.~Squirrel

    God wants sin to occur. - Bloviating Theologian

    God in his sovereignty can and does use some pedophiles in positions of leadership in gospel preaching churches to advance the gospel- Stephen

    Quote Originally Posted by Tarheel Cathlo-Baptist View Post
    So, you're saying the context negates what the verse clearly and plainly teaches?
    Please.

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    Finding Jesus on our Journey: Lisa warns Cindy

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    I just wanted to make a add a link to the letters sent to Cindy by Lisa Streeter warning her about Jack's inappropriateness with me back in 2010. Brent's original accusation of me not "telling my best friends" or making a mountain out of nothing are unfounded. I was hoping this thread would die but it has not so for what its worth here is the link for Lisa and Tim Streeter's blog. Finding Jesus on our Journey: Lisa warns Cindy
    Also- Kara Lenonin responded here with her story of what transpired while I was at FBC and her response at that time. ( Right around page 14 or so of this thread)
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    From the sentencing memorandum:
    Quote Originally Posted by Jean Sheaffer
    In Dr Schaap's employ, I served as one of the seven members of his personal staff. I was also the first person to call attention to the situation which led to his arrest. I called Pastor Schaap's wife and told her that office polices were being violated and I told church officials of proof of inappropriate action.
    010313 Sentencing Memo

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    According to the date on the letter, Cindy was warned mid 2010. The letter states that Jack was acting inappropriately with Julie over a year earlier, thus Jack's behaviour (rather his misbehaviour) dates back to early 2009. Hardly, some isolated one time slip up as is being portrayed. I think it safe to say that Jack began pursuing Julie sometime in late 2008 or early 2009, via "counseling sessions". At some point, Julie shared what was going on with some of her closest friends. After a period of a year, or thereabout, one of these friends, reached out to Cindy and warned her about what Jack was doing. Cindy is now pretending that Jack only recently began acting out of character... hardly the truth. I know that she is trying to spare her husband, herself, and her family the pain and difficulty of a lengthy prison sentence, but being dishonest isn't right imo. Cindy was warned about Jack 2 years ago... this isn't just a one time slip up over a 2-3 week period of time, rather this is the end result of something that has a history of at least 3 years (minimum). FBC owes Julie a huge apology as do Jack and Cindy.
    Pontifex Maximus Invictus II

    OT: So every action is decreed by God, right? The rape of a 3-year-old...
    Mick: Yes

    Infants that are not elect go to hell to be punished justly for their sin.~Squirrel

    God wants sin to occur. - Bloviating Theologian

    God in his sovereignty can and does use some pedophiles in positions of leadership in gospel preaching churches to advance the gospel- Stephen

    Quote Originally Posted by Tarheel Cathlo-Baptist View Post
    So, you're saying the context negates what the verse clearly and plainly teaches?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Invictus View Post
    According to the date on the letter, Cindy was warned mid 2010. The letter states that Jack was acting inappropriately with Julie over a year earlier, thus Jack's behaviour (rather his misbehaviour) dates back to early 2009. Hardly, some isolated one time slip up as is being portrayed. I think it safe to say that Jack began pursuing Julie sometime in late 2008 or early 2009, via "counseling sessions". At some point, Julie shared what was going on with some of her closest friends. After a period of a year, or thereabout, one of these friends, reached out to Cindy and warned her about what Jack was doing. Cindy is now pretending that Jack only recently began acting out of character... hardly the truth. I know that she is trying to spare her husband, herself, and her family the pain and difficulty of a lengthy prison sentence, but being dishonest isn't right imo. Cindy was warned about Jack 2 years ago... this isn't just a one time slip up over a 2-3 week period of time, rather this is the end result of something that has a history of at least 3 years (minimum). FBC owes Julie a huge apology as do Jack and Cindy.

 

 

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