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    Default Ifb churches bankrupt

    There is a pattern in IFBdom with building big buildings and going into debt.

    Berean Baptist (Neal) just went under.

    There are several more on the cusp of going under. In the next five years, we will see the unfortunate fall of some of the "great" churches in our country. You will be shocked by who they are.

    There is a pattern over the past 10-15 years of guys going way into debt to build buildings they can't afford or better yet, fill.

    From what I remember, Brother Hyles was not in debt when he died.

    I don't remember Lee Roberson's church being in debt when he retired.

    The men who are driving their churches into this debt have never had a real job in the secular world for any length of time, and it shows...i.e, Schaap, Chappell, Capaci, etc.

    For those of you on this forum who are still convinced that Bible college is such a great thing, tell that to the church members who are losing everything they've given to and watching their churches go to financial ruin...all because their pastor thought he knew everything by trying to build what he saw in Bible college instead of learning how to be careful with the money of hard-working laymen.

    Our movement will be forced to train our own because there aren't going to be many national Bible colleges in five years thanks to...........national Bible colleges!

    The old-timers weren't educated very much, but they had common sense. Their buildings weren't lavish, they didn't live in fancy homes, they didn't drive fancy cars...they were actually SERVANTS of the Lord, not CEO'S who have no idea what they are doing.

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    That's because most churches are more about "ministry" instead of "ministering".

    And it isn't just an IFB problem...
    ~ Dan

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    Quote Originally Posted by Smellin Coffee View Post
    That's because most churches are more about "ministry" instead of "ministering".

    And it isn't just an IFB problem...
    I agree with you on that. We have some non-denom's in our area that are doing the same thing

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    What is the wealthiest denomination? The Catholics! They have the Vatican City...how? Their church buildings are old, they take good care of them, they have several services a weekend before they consider building, etc.

    Brother Hyles used to say, "I'm more Catholic than I am charismatic."

    Jack Schaap's motto is, "I'm more charismatic than I am Baptist."

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    Quote Originally Posted by IFB Tea Party View Post
    What is the wealthiest denomination? The Catholics! They have the Vatican City...how? Their church buildings are old, they take good care of them, they have several services a weekend before they consider building, etc.

    Brother Hyles used to say, "I'm more Catholic than I am charismatic."

    Jack Schaap's motto is, "I'm more charismatic than I am Baptist."
    Thats too funny.

    Im not trying to stir the sause. I personally believe it is best for a young person to go away to college to mature and grow. I believe that the Bible is pretty clear that young men were put under a teacher.

    However, I am in sincerity hoping you could explain your sentence, we wont have any national bible colleges because of national bible colleges.

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    Default Seems like Dr Glutton & his son Dr Pervert are still at large..

    Link--> Berean Baptist College - The Old-Time Religion Conference

    Link--> Berean Baptist College - Old-Time Preaching



    "DR PERVERT"


    "DR GLUTTON"


    Caught Red Handed Video Taping women undressing in his office!


    "Thank God my daddy covers up my sin, doctored polygraph tests & statute of limitations!" & you forgive your accusers?! Greg Neal is a REPROBATE!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Smellin Coffee View Post
    That's because most churches are more about "ministry" instead of "ministering".

    And it isn't just an IFB problem...
    Well said. When I was in hac there were alot of guys who couldn't wait to get out and "build" something. Unfortunately, I have come to realize that many are not about building people's faith or their relationship with God but more about something tangible that they could see and show to their pastor buddies. Like a building or a college. IMHO
    "If there must be trouble, let it be in my day, that my children may have peace." Thomas Paine 1776

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    Just to be fair, churches are not the only ones to lose buildings and because of debt lose all of their holdings. I am in the construction trades and I know alot of contractors who have lost everything they made in the last 30 years in just the past five years. Many of them were not overspenders or even guilty of greed. They were doing well and put most of their extra money into spec homes, land, subdivisions, etc. just to see their value fall in an extraordinary manner. When you have several homes which you can't sell or must sell at a loss, when you have money in land and lots that are next to worthless, and you are paying taxes and interest it can really bite you in the but_.
    "If there must be trouble, let it be in my day, that my children may have peace." Thomas Paine 1776

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    And another thing: I have been ifb most of my life but would not walk across the street to hear the Neal's or Dr. Hambone preach. I keep hearing that the old-time ways and old-time paths are dying. Maybe people like the aforementioned are what killed them.
    "If there must be trouble, let it be in my day, that my children may have peace." Thomas Paine 1776

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    Quote Originally Posted by balaam View Post
    and another thing: I have been ifb most of my life but would not walk across the street to hear the neal's or dr. Hambone preach. I keep hearing that the old-time ways and old-time paths are dying. Maybe people like the aforementioned are what killed them.

    ouch!!!!

 

 

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