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    Quote Originally Posted by Romans View Post
    Yes biblically there are reasons for Pastors being held to a higher standard and here is what they are and why.

    http://www.fundamentalforums.com/showthread.php?t=34311
    Sorry, I really can not read that much cut and paste. My simple brain doesn't follow.

    But from what I saw, it seems that many of those would be fitting for all Christians across the board.

    Many of what you listed were more characteristics or qualities that a pastor should posess. Not bad ones...but that is not really the purpose of my op.

    What I am speaking of, is a spiritual standard, based on sin mainly.

    Is it "wrong" for a preacher to do some things or activities, but "okay" for one not called in the ministry to do? Or, if I and a pastor commit the same sin of gossip and backbighting.... is he in "greater trouble" with God than I? Is the same sin for him "bigger" than for me?

    I dont see that anywhere. As far as "sin" I believe God judges all the same regardless of position...I am not speaking of accountablity.
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    I guess my point would be this....

    I get irritated on this forum and elsewhere, when I see a Christian tell a pastor "You shouldnt do that you are a pastor." Say for example name calling.

    A "pastor" calls someone a "raging moron." They get condemed and berated because they are a pastor. A few threads later, this same person that condemn the behavior in the "pastor" engages in the same conduct. Is it okay for them becase they are not a pastor?

    I can see pointing out it is not a Christlike thing to do....but take your own advice...that is my point. I myself have been guilty of this.

    I think that sometimes..."pastors" are pushed a little more, because they are expected to "turn the other cheek" and "not return a harsh word." So therefore, people push and push with either one of 2 outcomes.
    1) the "pastor" being pushed follows the Bible and turns the other cheek and the ignorant person pushing them feels they have "won" in a stupid way
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    2) the pastor responds in the flesh, overcome by emotion, as we all are...and the ignorant one gets to claim a "moral" victory of sorts

    I am not saying that there are not some pastors in this world and on this forum that behave as they should, BUT just because they are pastors, does not gain them extra "mercy cards" to use on the devil and overcome the flesh.
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    there are some obvious Biblical requirments for a Pastor (before anyone flips out, we need to understand that there are some Biblical requirments for all "roles" God has ordained: mother - female, married; father - male, married; etc...) we can choose to ignore Gods requirments and suffer the consequences; or submit to God and be blessed thereby.

    So there are requirments to meet the qualifications of Pastor according to the Bible - but beyond that I see nowhere that God demands more out of me than anyone else in our Church. In order to be an effective leader, my children and my wife need to be in subjection according to the Bible - but God demands that of all Christians - so He has not given me more "rules" to follow than anyone else - He just expects me to have faith enough in Him that He is Lord of my life and I am surrendered to Him.

    Can I be an effective Pastor if I blow my testimony over and over? No. Can one continue to be a mediocre Christian and blow his testimony over and over - yes. Can a person in the Pew be more "spiritual" than the Pastor - absolutely - and shame on that Pastor...
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    Quote Originally Posted by Eph378 View Post
    there are some obvious Biblical requirments for a Pastor (before anyone flips out, we need to understand that there are some Biblical requirments for all "roles" God has ordained: mother - female, married; father - male, married; etc...) we can choose to ignore Gods requirments and suffer the consequences; or submit to God and be blessed thereby.

    So there are requirments to meet the qualifications of Pastor according to the Bible - but beyond that I see nowhere that God demands more out of me than anyone else in our Church. In order to be an effective leader, my children and my wife need to be in subjection according to the Bible - but God demands that of all Christians - so He has not given me more "rules" to follow than anyone else - He just expects me to have faith enough in Him that He is Lord of my life and I am surrendered to Him.

    Can I be an effective Pastor if I blow my testimony over and over? No. Can one continue to be a mediocre Christian and blow his testimony over and over - yes. Can a person in the Pew be more "spiritual" than the Pastor - absolutely - and shame on that Pastor...
    Very well said. Thanks!

    I can definitely agree that because of a pastors position....they are not afforded the "privacy" that others are that are not in the public eye. However, this is something that is understood upon accepting the position.

    I can mess up, and no one but God ever know. A pastor can mess up, and everyone AND God know. However, God knows in both scenarios...that is what is most important. And I know I for one dont always remember that.
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    He requires obedience
    From all of us.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Breslau View Post
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    From all of us.
    Kinda sums it up doesnt it!
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    Yes I agree all Christians should abtain high standards, but we are NOT being watched as closely as pastors or any leader for the matter. The fact MANY more people can be effected by a bad pastor (as the media has so enjoyed revealing in the past) than they can by little ol me, is reason alone.

    Consider this that you may not have read....Quote from what qualifies a pastor thread.

    Fourthly, pastors must be of good behavior (1 Tim. 3:2). The practical result of vigilance and soberness is good behavior. Kovsmion conveys the idea of orderliness, decentness, graveness, and correctness as a whole.6 Whereas swvfrona refers to the inward character; kovsmion refers to the external character. Titus (1:7) also takes into account that pastors must not be self-willed (mhÉ aujqavdh) or soon angry (mhÉ ojrgivlon). His good behavior means he is one who controls his passions before God and others.

    Pastors are not to be a striker or brawler, but are to be patient with others (1Tim. 3:3; Tit. 1:7). All pastors must be certain that a quick temper does not control them, but rather they are to be meek and gentle with others. MhÉ plhvkthn also indicates one who is not quarrelsome. A pastor who is a striker is in complete contrast to ejpieikh'. Pastors must not strike a person who displeases them, neither should they slander verbally or exert physical force. To not be a brawler (a[macon) means one is peaceful, and not contentious.

    Public Qualifications of Pastors

    Pastors are to be blameless (1 Tim. 3:2; Tit. 1:6). His public and private life must be consistent before God and others. This does not mean pastors are without faults, but men against whom no wickedness can be proven. Apparently, ajnepivlhmpton is a metaphor used to imply vulnerability. The idea is of a skillful pugilist who defends every part of his body so that it is impossible for an adversary to bring an accusation. Pastors must be irreproachable in order that they can reprove others without being reproved themselves.

    Thirdly, pastors are to have a good report with others (1 Tim. 3:7). Having a good report with others is the result of all the other qualifications. Although non-Christians may not agree with him, he has a good reputation among them. This would be particularly relevant today as many in ministries profess to be “God’s anointed,” but yet their ministries are in constant watch not for godliness but for the appearance of evil.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Romans View Post
    Yes I agree all Christians should abtain high standards, but we are NOT being watched as closely as pastors or any leader for the matter. The fact MANY more people can be effected by a bad pastor (as the media has so enjoyed revealing in the past) than they can by little ol me, is reason alone.
    Totally agreed. Pastors are watched MUCH more closely as I have previously stated.

    God does hold them more accountable because of their position.

    But my op was dealing with how God views their sin as compared to mine. Just because others do not see it, as readily as a pastor....does not mean he "condones" it or is willing to let it slide.
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    Yes I agree all our sin in God's eyes is the same in the since of sin is sin.

    But we read in 1 Cor 3:14 that all Christians will receive REWARDS according to their FAITHFULNESS and what we/they have allowed Christ to DO through us/them.

    Not sure how God is going to deal with his judgements towards Christians, but the bible does say God holds leaders to a higher standard. Sin is sin in Gods eyes and all are to obey God, but for some reason God will weigh leaders sins and our differently....just not sure how.

    The bible also says HUSBANDS will be held accountable for how they lead their household, not the wife, but the husband.


 

 
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