Compromise with what? How would ensuring that students be guaranteed a quality education be looked down upon?
Since when does a IFB need government approval to give a quality education? Are we not called of God? I don't care who says what, but having accreditation opens up the school to government control. But this has been coming for a while at Champions so I am not surprised.
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Since when does a IFB need government approval to give a quality education? Are we not called of God? I don't care who says what, but having accreditation opens up the school to government control. But this has been coming for a while at Champions so I am not surprised.
You don't know what your talking about. There are MANY accredited boards that are not associated with the government. I bet you can't give one example of a school being controlled by the government because they were accredited. Let me also add that colleges accredited or no have to gain government approval in many ways.
1. You need to have government approval to build one.
2. You need to have government inspections to make sure you're doing it right (I know, you're called of God so you don't need government inspection for anything...)
3. If you have a cafeteria the health inspector must inspect your kitchen.
4. The Fire Marshall can examine the dormitories for the students to make sure they are inhabitable or not.
So there are four areas right there where the government is involved with a Bible college BEFORE accreditation. Accreditation is not wrong. It's simply an acceptable standard of measure that guarantees young people who are spending thousands of dollars on education, are getting what they paid for.
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You don't know what your talking about. There are MANY accredited boards that are not associated with the government. I bet you can't give one example of a school being controlled by the government because they were accredited. Let me also add that colleges accredited or no have to gain government approval in many ways.
1. You need to have government approval to build one.
2. You need to have government inspections to make sure you're doing it right (I know, you're called of God so you don't need government inspection for anything...)
3. If you have a cafeteria the health inspector must inspect your kitchen.
4. The Fire Marshall can examine the dormitories for the students to make sure they are inhabitable or not.
So there are four areas right there where the government is involved with a Bible college BEFORE accreditation. Accreditation is not wrong. It's simply an acceptable standard of measure that guarantees young people who are spending thousands of dollars on education, are getting what they paid for.
You don't know what your talking about. There are MANY accredited boards that are not associated with the government. I bet you can't give one example of a school being controlled by the government because they were accredited. Let me also add that colleges accredited or no have to gain government approval in many ways.
1. You need to have government approval to build one.
2. You need to have government inspections to make sure you're doing it right (I know, you're called of God so you don't need government inspection for anything...)
3. If you have a cafeteria the health inspector must inspect your kitchen.
4. The Fire Marshall can examine the dormitories for the students to make sure they are inhabitable or not.
So there are four areas right there where the government is involved with a Bible college BEFORE accreditation. Accreditation is not wrong. It's simply an acceptable standard of measure that guarantees young people who are spending thousands of dollars on education, are getting what they paid for.
Those examples are not in context. I am talking about the curriculum. The Bible says to let all things be done decently and in order, so I have no problem at all with my college going through the right avenues to make sure that the establishments they use are up to par. In fact, I would not go to a college who did not want to cooperate with the city or government on their facilities. They may not always agree, but they want to do right. I am concerned with the curriculum. What happens when the institution they use decides that the curriculum they teach is wrong? I am sorry (not really), but I would rather have God's stamp of approval than some board (who, by the way, WILL change.) I know that there are many accreditation boards out there besides the gov, they were just an example. When you are dependent on someone for approval other than God you are no longer an independent baptist college. You are now an Dependent baptist college. If Champions is such a great college, why do you need man's approval? I hear great things from that college and I love Bro. Capaci, I can still remember the first message I heard him preach. I am concerned with where this will lead. Not so much from Capaci, but from his succesor. Do we need another FBC of Hammond debacle (sp)?
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Just wanted to let you know that if you agree with me great, and if you are "offended" by what I say, thats okay too. Just don't cry like a little baby. I mean come on we are on the "fighting" fundamental forums. Just take it like a man (or woman for you WRA'ers.)
Last edited by preacherman05; 05-22-2009 at 01:39 AM.
And when I speak of "control" I mean that you will be in bondage. No matter where you are in life you will always be in bondage to someone or something. It is not always obvious, but when you start seeking outside approval you change. Either God will control you or someone else will. You can control someone by influencing them. Jerry Falwell did not drop the baptist in his colleges name until 5 years after he got accredited. And I am not saying capaci will change overnight, but change is imminent.
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Just wanted to let you know that if you agree with me great, and if you are "offended" by what I say, thats okay too. Just don't cry like a little baby. I mean come on we are on the "fighting" fundamental forums. Just take it like a man (or woman for you WRA'ers.)
Those examples are not in context. I am talking about the curriculum. The Bible says to let all things be done decently and in order, so I have no problem at all with my college going through the right avenues to make sure that the establishments they use are up to par. In fact, I would not go to a college who did not want to cooperate with the city or government on their facilities. They may not always agree, but they want to do right. I am concerned with the curriculum. What happens when the institution they use decides that the curriculum they teach is wrong? I am sorry (not really), but I would rather have God's stamp of approval than some board (who, by the way, WILL change.) I know that there are many accreditation boards out there besides the gov, they were just an example. When you are dependent on someone for approval other than God you are no longer an independent baptist college. You are now an Dependent baptist college. If Champions is such a great college, why do you need man's approval? I hear great things from that college and I love Bro. Capaci, I can still remember the first message I heard him preach. I am concerned with where this will lead. Not so much from Capaci, but from his succesor. Do we need another FBC of Hammond debacle (sp)?
My whole point was your double standard on government interference in Christian education. If you don't think you need mans approval then why go to college in the first place? If you're worried about what "might" happen you never will do anything great. I bet you've never built anything have you? Pensacola and BJU are accredited and they are still fundamentally strong institutions.
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And when I speak of "control" I mean that you will be in bondage. No matter where you are in life you will always be in bondage to someone or something. It is not always obvious, but when you start seeking outside approval you change. Either God will control you or someone else will. You can control someone by influencing them. Jerry Falwell did not drop the baptist in his colleges name until 5 years after he got accredited. And I am not saying capaci will change overnight, but change is imminent.
That statement is inaccurate. Check your facts my friend.
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My whole point was your double standard on government interference in Christian education. If you don't think you need mans approval then why go to college in the first place? If you're worried about what "might" happen you never will do anything great. I bet you've never built anything have you? Pensacola and BJU are accredited and they are still fundamentally strong institutions.
I would not go as far as to say that BJU is still fundamentally strong.
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