Not to stir anything up (now why would I want to do that??) , but many of you may not look at the other college forums, so I wanted to point you to this post since it addresses the gospel presentation used on Gospel Light's website. What say ye?
"[Irresistible grace] is not external compulsion, which would destroy human free agency, but an inward compulsion by which the sinner becomes willing."
Not to stir anything up (now why would I want to do that??) , but many of you may not look at the other college forums, so I wanted to point you to this post since it addresses the gospel presentation used on Gospel Light's website. What say ye?
blahblahblah... i understand what he's trying to say but i have to rebuttal that with the scores of people that are in Gospel Light Baptist Church because someone knocked on their door and showed them the Gospel which preachit says is weak. Ask those people if they received a weak presentation of the gospel. I dont want to be harsh but please dont try and tell my church is presenting a weak presentation of the gospel and that my church is compromising. Friend that is how false rumors start. thats all im gonna say right now
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...i understand what he's trying to say but i have to rebuttal that with the scores of people that are in Gospel Light Baptist Church because someone knocked on their door and showed them the Gospel which preachit says is weak. Ask those people if they received a weak presentation of the gospel. I dont want to be harsh but please dont try and tell my church is presenting a weak presentation of the gospel and that my church is compromising. Friend that is how false rumors start. thats all im gonna say right now
Brother, I'm not trying to start a rumor - this is the gospel presentation on GLBC's website! Also, I'm not trying to look at visible results - if results are all that point to the truth, then we had better be clamoring at Joel Osteen's office to find out what he does, because it sure seems to be working (I'm NOT comparing GLBC to Osteen; just using the ridiculous to make a point - Osteen is a heretic, Bro. Capaci is certainly a brother!).
So, if you understand what the OP was saying, then how is this presentation not weak? I am not saying that God cannot use it to save souls, because i think it's obvious that it has. But I would have to ask how many have been led down this path with no changed life whatsoever? How many have been "saved", but never darken the door of the church?
IOW, results are not the issue; faithfulness to the Word of God is.
"[Irresistible grace] is not external compulsion, which would destroy human free agency, but an inward compulsion by which the sinner becomes willing."
As Bob basiclly said, we are to always be faithful to the gospel - not simply produce numbers.
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As Bob basiclly said, we are to always be faithful to the gospel - not simply produce numbers.
Precisely the point. I am NOT trying to "bash" Bro. Capaci or GLBC. I AM desiring that we would consider how we are presenting the most important message in the world, and ensuring that we do it biblically. The attitude demonstrated here is not a biblical defense of the way the gospel is presented, but one of scorn that anyone would question what is being done!
I received a red (which doesn't bother me, BTW) from a poster who has family members who attend GLBC, and because of that, the poster "resents my comments." Why personal attacks rather than biblically dealing with the issue? This is the attitude that has caused the demise of the fundamentalist movement. Rather than blindly trust our traditions, we must examine everything against God's Word—our standard!
"[Irresistible grace] is not external compulsion, which would destroy human free agency, but an inward compulsion by which the sinner becomes willing."
i understand what your saying house. im not going to red you dont care bout that.
i wasnt using my example as you guys are trying bringing but its all good we can agree to disagree. i believe it works and have seen it work.
i wasnt trying to say you started a rumor. I said that is how rumors are started.
i appreciate the post and understand what you are saying here, i just dont agree with you. i guess because i see it in action i used the example i did of results. i was not saying gospel light's method must be right simply because of the results. I just see it in action and i guess it was just a bad explanation, but either way what i was trying to say simply was that gospel light's gospel presentation works. end of story.
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Precisely the point. I am NOT trying to "bash" Bro. Capaci or GLBC. I AM desiring that we would consider how we are presenting the most important message in the world, and ensuring that we do it biblically. The attitude demonstrated here is not a biblical defense of the way the gospel is presented, but one of scorn that anyone would question what is being done!
Ummmm...Bob..in case you haven't noticed..that is the attitude that is always demostrated by their ilk when questioned...
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...i believe it works and have seen it work...i guess because i see it in action i used the example i did of results. i was not saying gospel light's method must be right simply because of the results. I just see it in action and i guess it was just a bad explanation, but either way what i was trying to say simply was that gospel light's gospel presentation works. end of story.
Brother, I understand where you're coming from--I've been there! You keep focusing on the fact that "it works." I'm not asking whether it "works." I'm asking, "Is it BIBLICAL?" That's the key.
I've seen a lot of "presentations" that "work." And I have no doubt that there are people saved because of these various methods. But, once again, that is not what we should be seeking. It is God's job to work in the sinner's heart. Whether or not we see "results" is immaterial IF we are following the Biblical pattern.
"[Irresistible grace] is not external compulsion, which would destroy human free agency, but an inward compulsion by which the sinner becomes willing."
Brother, I understand where you're coming from--I've been there! You keep focusing on the fact that "it works." I'm not asking whether it "works." I'm asking, "Is it BIBLICAL?" That's the key.
And I have no doubt that there are people saved because of these various methods. But, once again, that is not what we should be seeking.
"And I have no doubt that there are people saved because of these various methods. But, once again, that is not what we should be seeking. " Umm sorry but that is what im seeking
You keep focusing on the fact that "it works." I'm not asking whether it "works." I'm asking, "Is it BIBLICAL?" That's the key.
Im focusing on that fact because that is the key the main goal..... It works. yes that is the method gospel light uses to help someone who is lost find Christ. I keep focusing on the fact that it works, because that simple fact alone is amazing. IT IS BIBLICAL. The fact that it works proves that. there is lasting fruit. that is my point.
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Was it perfect? no was it pretty? no but it was US!
Brother, I understand where you're coming from--I've been there! You keep focusing on the fact that "it works." I'm not asking whether it "works." I'm asking, "Is it BIBLICAL?" That's the key.
I've seen a lot of "presentations" that "work." And I have no doubt that there are people saved because of these various methods. But, once again, that is not what we should be seeking. It is God's job to work in the sinner's heart. Whether or not we see "results" is immaterial IF we are following the Biblical pattern.
In brings up the question of how does he know it works....
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, but many of you may not look at the other college forums, so I wanted to point you to this post since it addresses the gospel presentation used on Gospel Light's website. What say ye?
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