Why does Romans 8:30 say that all those called are also justified? Don't the non-Calvinists say that some people are called but reject God's offer of justification?
"In fact, if you wish to know how libertarians regard the State and any of its acts, simply think of the State as a criminal band, and all of the libertarian attitudes will logically fall into place." - Murray Rothbard
He that is first in his own cause seemeth just; but his neighbour cometh and searcheth him. - Hebrew proverb
Why does Romans 8:30 say that all those called are also justified? Don't the non-Calvinists say that some people are called but reject God's offer of justification?
Why does Romans 8:30 say that all those called are also justified?
Simple. The Bible is a book of logical progression.
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Don't the non-Calvinists say that some people are called but reject God's offer of justification?
Not sure what you mean.
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"In fact, if you wish to know how libertarians regard the State and any of its acts, simply think of the State as a criminal band, and all of the libertarian attitudes will logically fall into place." - Murray Rothbard
He that is first in his own cause seemeth just; but his neighbour cometh and searcheth him. - Hebrew proverb
If all those who are called are justified, doesn't this mean God doesn't call everyone? Doesn't called here mean those whom God sought to save?
Yep. Compare that with John 6:44.
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Theology, not morality, is the first business on the church's agenda of reform, and the church, not society, is the first target of divine criticism.
-Michael Scott Horton, Beyond Culture Wars
For whom he did foreknow, he also did predestinate to be conformed to the image of his Son, that he might be the firstborn among many brethren.
What relationship does God's foreknowledge have to predestination? Also, why couldn't the term called in verse 30 refer, not to those God sought to save, but to those predestined to be conformed to the image of God's Son?
"In fact, if you wish to know how libertarians regard the State and any of its acts, simply think of the State as a criminal band, and all of the libertarian attitudes will logically fall into place." - Murray Rothbard
He that is first in his own cause seemeth just; but his neighbour cometh and searcheth him. - Hebrew proverb
What relationship does God's foreknowledge have to predestination?
"Foreknew" in Greek means "chose to enter into a relationship with" (cf. Amos 3:2, Romans 11:2, 1 Peter 1:2, 20). The Father chose to enter into a relationship with a particular people, and on the basis of this choice predestined them unto a particular ends: conformation to the image of His Son (Romans 8:29) and obedience to Christ and justification (1 Peter 1:2, cf. Romans 8:30).
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Also, why couldn't the term called in verse 30 refer, not to those God sought to save, but to those predestined to be conformed to the image of God's Son?
I wasn't aware the two were mutually exclusive. Are you suggesting God seeks to save the elect in a different manner than the non-elect (namely, an effectual call is given to the elect only), but that He still desires the salvation of the non-elect? That is actually the position of some Calvinists (John Piper, for one).
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