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    Quote Originally Posted by Knight View Post
    Come on, dude. Right or wrong, those unlike Piper come across as having a "I hope you're elect, but go to hell if you're not" kind of attitude.

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    Quote Originally Posted by BuddingTheologian View Post
    Come on, dude. Right or wrong, those unlike Piper come across as having a "I hope you're elect, but go to hell if you're not" kind of attitude.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Knight View Post
    Like me?
    At times.

    I was the same once.

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    Quote Originally Posted by BuddingTheologian View Post
    At times.

    I was the same once.


    Ok, BT.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Knight View Post
    "Foreknew" in Greek means "chose to enter into a relationship with" (cf. Amos 3:2, Romans 11:2, 1 Peter 1:2, 20). The Father chose to enter into a relationship with a particular people, and on the basis of this choice predestined them unto a particular ends: conformation to the image of His Son (Romans 8:29) and obedience to Christ and justification (1 Peter 1:2, cf. Romans 8:30).
    Is one's acceptance of Christ a factor in whether God choses to enter into a relationship with him?

    I wasn't aware the two were mutually exclusive. Are you suggesting God seeks to save the elect in a different manner than the non-elect (namely, an effectual call is given to the elect only), but that He still desires the salvation of the non-elect? That is actually the position of some Calvinists (John Piper, for one).
    I'm not saying they're mutually exclusive. I'm just asking if the term called refers to those God seeks to save or to those God has predestined, which to non-Calvinists would be a smaller group.
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    Quote Originally Posted by scripturesearcher View Post
    Is one's acceptance of Christ a factor in whether God choses to enter into a relationship with him?
    No, it's the other way around. God's choosing to enter into a relationship with us is why we accept Christ. Hence, He foreknews (chooses), predestines, calls, and then justifies (implying faith, as we're justified by faith). Faith comes after He chooses because faith comes by His choosing.

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    I'm not saying they're mutually exclusive. I'm just asking if the term called refers to those God seeks to save or to those God has predestined, which to non-Calvinists would be a smaller group.
    God only effectually calls those whom He foreknews and predestines. This is incompatible with most (if not all) non-Calvinist beliefs, as it implies God's call is what distinguishes one's acceptance of Christ from another's continuous rejection of Him (rather than the difference being, say, a result of human autonomy).
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    Quote Originally Posted by Knight View Post
    No, it's the other way around. God's choosing to enter into a relationship with us is why we accept Christ. Hence, He foreknews (chooses), predestines, calls, and then justifies (implying faith, as we're justified by faith). Faith comes after He chooses because faith comes by His choosing.



    God only effectually calls those whom He foreknews and predestines. This is incompatible with most (if not all) non-Calvinist beliefs, as it implies God's call is what distinguishes one's acceptance of Christ from another's continuous rejection of Him (rather than the difference being, say, a result of human autonomy).
    How do I know your answers to these questions are the right ones? What evidence (e.g., scripture) do you have that any contrary answers are not the correct understanding of these passages?
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    Quote Originally Posted by scripturesearcher View Post
    How do I know your answers to these questions are the right ones? What evidence (e.g., scripture) do you have that any contrary answers are not the correct understanding of these passages?
    I have done so. I already provided you with verses equating "choosing" with "foreknewing," you yourself provided Romans 8:29-30, and if you want further exegesis, I suggest reading this.
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    has there ever been any non-elected calvinists? what happens to me if i am a calvinist but i find i'm not elected to salvation?

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    Quote Originally Posted by deedeedub View Post
    has there ever been any non-elected calvinists? what happens to me if i am a calvinist but i find i'm not elected to salvation?
    Believe upon the Lord Jesus Christ, and you're good.


    Derrrr.

 

 

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