It means that God chose to save those who choose to believe.
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And let those who are not found living as He taught, be understood to be no Christians, even though they profess with the lip the precepts of Christ; for not those who make profession, but those who do the works, shall be saved, according to His word: “Not every one who saith to Me, Lord, Lord, shall enter into the kingdom of heaven, but he that doeth the will of My Father which is in heaven.
It means that God chose to save those who choose to believe.
It means that those who choose to believe do so because they are those whom God chose to save.
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It means that those who choose to believe do so because they are those whom God chose to save.
Sorry my friend but you have that backwards. God saves those who choose Him.
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And let those who are not found living as He taught, be understood to be no Christians, even though they profess with the lip the precepts of Christ; for not those who make profession, but those who do the works, shall be saved, according to His word: “Not every one who saith to Me, Lord, Lord, shall enter into the kingdom of heaven, but he that doeth the will of My Father which is in heaven.
You won't find that in Scripture. Let's look at what a real exegete has to say:
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Originally Posted by Augustine
Let us, then, understand the calling whereby they become elected,— not those who are elected because they have believed, but who are elected that they may believe. For the Lord Himself also sufficiently explains this calling when He says, You have not chosen me, but I have chosen you. For if they had been elected because they had believed, they themselves would certainly have first chosen Him by believing in Him, so that they should deserve to be elected. But He takes away this supposition altogether when He says, You have not chosen me, but I have chosen you. And yet they themselves, beyond a doubt, chose Him when they believed on Him. Whence it is not for any other reason that He says, You have not chosen me, but I have chosen you, than because they did not choose Him that He should choose them, but He chose them that they might choose Him; because His mercy preceded them according to grace, not according to debt. Therefore He chose them out of the world while He was wearing flesh, but as those who were already chosen in Himself before the foundation of the world. This is the changeless truth concerning predestination and grace. For what is it that the apostle says, As He has chosen us in Himself before the foundation of the world? And assuredly, if this were said because God foreknew that they would believe, not because He Himself would make them believers, the Son is speaking against such a foreknowledge as that when He says, You have not chosen me, but I have chosen you; when God should rather have foreknown this very thing, that they themselves would have chosen Him, so that they might deserve to be chosen by Him. Therefore they were elected before the foundation of the world with that predestination in which God foreknew what He Himself would do; but they were elected out of the world with that calling whereby God fulfilled that which He predestinated. For whom He predestinated, them He also called, with that calling, to wit, which is according to the purpose. Not others, therefore, but those whom He predestinated, them He also called; nor others, but those whom He so called, them He also justified; nor others, but those whom He predestinated, called, and justified, them He also glorified; assuredly to that end which has no end. Therefore God elected believers; but He chose them that they might be so, not because they were already so. The Apostle James says: Has not God chosen the poor in this world, rich in faith, and heirs of the kingdom which God has promised to them that love Him? By choosing them, therefore; He makes them rich in faith, as He makes them heirs of the kingdom; because He is rightly said to choose that in them, in order to make which in them He chose them. I ask, who can hear the Lord saying, You have not chosen me, but I have chosen you, and can dare to say that men believe in order to be elected, when they are rather elected to believe; lest against the judgment of truth they be found to have first chosen Christ to whom Christ says, You have not chosen me, but I have chosen you?
"The Lord is not slack concerning his promise, as some men count slackness; but is longsuffering to us-ward, not willing that any [who he wills not to perish] should perish, but that all [who he wills to come to repentance] should come to repentance."
"In fact, if you wish to know how libertarians regard the State and any of its acts, simply think of the State as a criminal band, and all of the libertarian attitudes will logically fall into place." - Murray Rothbard
He that is first in his own cause seemeth just; but his neighbour cometh and searcheth him. - Hebrew proverb
"The Lord is not slack concerning his promise, as some men count slackness; but is longsuffering to us-ward, not willing that any [who he wills not to perish] should perish, but that all [who he wills to come to repentance] should come to repentance."
Does your doctrine require these additional words???
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And let those who are not found living as He taught, be understood to be no Christians, even though they profess with the lip the precepts of Christ; for not those who make profession, but those who do the works, shall be saved, according to His word: “Not every one who saith to Me, Lord, Lord, shall enter into the kingdom of heaven, but he that doeth the will of My Father which is in heaven.
"In fact, if you wish to know how libertarians regard the State and any of its acts, simply think of the State as a criminal band, and all of the libertarian attitudes will logically fall into place." - Murray Rothbard
He that is first in his own cause seemeth just; but his neighbour cometh and searcheth him. - Hebrew proverb
Does your doctrine require these additional words???
Here is Calvin's response:
Not willing that any should perish. "So wonderful is his love towards mankind, that he would have them all to be saved, and is of his own self prepared to bestow salvation on the lost. But the order is to be noticed, that God is ready to receive all to repentance, so that none may perish; for in these words the way and manner of obtaining salvation is pointed out. Every one of us, therefore, who is desirous of salvation, must learn to enter in by this way.
But it may be asked, If God wishes none to perish, why is it that so many do perish? To this my answer is, that no mention is here made of the hidden purpose of God, according to which the reprobate are doomed to their own ruin, but only of his will as made known to us in the gospel. For God there stretches forth his hand without a difference to all, but lays hold only of those, to lead them to himself, whom he has chosen before the foundation of the world."
(Edwards again) In this particular verse Peter is not speaking of the hidden purposes (His unseen will) of God, only the general call of the gospel to all people to come for life in Jesus Christ.
Ultimately we end up with what J. I. describes as an "antimony" which is a contradiction between two laws that are both true. We have sovereignty on the one hand and human responsibility on the other......both of which are true, yet they do not make sense to our finite minds. The answer according to Packer (and I agree) is that how can humans with puny brains understand everything there is to know about an infinite God.
In other words both are true and we don't know why! It's like praying for someones salvation and having them receive Christ. Did they choose for themselves?.....yes. Did prayer play a part in it?.....yes. Did God's Holy Spirit convict them and lead them to the Savior?......yes? Was in human responsibility or God's sovereignty that came into play?.....yes!
If you want everything rolled up into a neat little package that you can understand, all you end up with is a god of your own making. If you know the infinite Almighty that does what He wants, whenever He wants and no one can stop Him (the God of scripture) then there will be mysteries.
"The Lord is not slack concerning his promise, as some men count slackness; but is longsuffering to us-ward, not willing that any [who he wills not to perish] should perish, but that all [who he wills to come to repentance] should come to repentance."
Hey guys (some of you), contextualization.
Who is the "you" in 2 Peter 3:9? Well, it is the Christians previously discussed in the preceding verses and chapter (e.g., 3:8)...
This is by no means a verse refuting God's sovereign election, nor is it supporting man's free choice outside of God's sovereign election. It is a common misquoted verse.
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