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Most people are held prisoner by what they've been taught. Conditional election is not grace. It is good to participate. It is better to win.
"In fact, if you wish to know how libertarians regard the State and any of its acts, simply think of the State as a criminal band, and all of the libertarian attitudes will logically fall into place." - Murray Rothbard
He that is first in his own cause seemeth just; but his neighbour cometh and searcheth him. - Hebrew proverb
Ephesians 1-2, Romans 8-9, 2 Thessalonians 2:13, John 6, 10, etc.
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Originally Posted by ss
Why doesn't He choose everyone?
Because He didn't desire to, obviously. Why didn't He desire to? I dunno. Why do some do and others not desire to choose Him (assuming that His electing is predicated upon a decision we make)?
Based entirely on His will. (Eph 1.) As for why He doesn't choose everyone; I don't know. Why does He choose anyone?
See Knight's post.
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Most people are held prisoner by what they've been taught. Conditional election is not grace. It is good to participate. It is better to win.
Romans 9:18-24
Therefore hath he mercy on whom he will have mercy, and whom he will he hardeneth. Thou wilt say then unto me, Why doth he yet find fault? For who hath resisted his will? Nay but, O man, who art thou that repliest against God? Shall the thing formed say to him that formed it, Why hast thou made me thus? Hath not the potter power over the clay, of the same lump to make one vessel unto honour, and another unto dishonour? What if God, willing to shew his wrath, and to make his power known, endured with much longsuffering the vessels of wrath fitted to destruction: And that he might make known the riches of his glory on the vessels of mercy, which he had afore prepared unto glory, Even us, whom he hath called, not of the Jews only, but also of the Gentiles?
That was the question that really got to me....
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Maybe we're not supposed to be happy. Maybe gratitude has nothing to do with joy. Maybe being grateful means recognizing what you have for what it is. Appreciating small victories. Admiring the struggle it takes simply to be human. Maybe we're thankful for the familiar things we know. And maybe we're thankful for the things we'll never know. At the end of the day, the fact that we have the courage to still be standing is reason enough to celebrate.
Romans 9:18-24
Therefore hath he mercy on whom he will have mercy, and whom he will he hardeneth. Thou wilt say then unto me, Why doth he yet find fault? For who hath resisted his will? Nay but, O man, who art thou that repliest against God? Shall the thing formed say to him that formed it, Why hast thou made me thus? Hath not the potter power over the clay, of the same lump to make one vessel unto honour, and another unto dishonour? What if God, willing to shew his wrath, and to make his power known, endured with much longsuffering the vessels of wrath fitted to destruction: And that he might make known the riches of his glory on the vessels of mercy, which he had afore prepared unto glory, Even us, whom he hath called, not of the Jews only, but also of the Gentiles?
That was the question that really got to me....
I thought the next two verses were even more pertinent, as even after Paul rebukes the objector's presumptuous questioning he goes on to give an answer to the question anyways.
...That was the question that really got to me....
I know the feeling. This passage always gets me thinking:
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Acts 17:30 "Therefore having overlooked the times of ignorance, God is now declaring to men that all {people} everywhere should repent,
Imagine that. God wasting His time calling everyone to repentance when even He should know only some were Atoned for and only those who were can possibly be Saved. Remarkable. Provocative.
I know the feeling. This passage always gets me thinking:
Imagine that. God wasting His time calling everyone to repentance when even He should know only some were Atoned for and only those who were can possibly be Saved. Remarkable. Provocative.
Imagine that. God wasting His time calling everyone to repentance when even He should know only some would accept him and would be saved.
Works both ways.
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II Corinthians 1:20 ESV "For all the promises of God find their Yes in him. That is why it is through him that we utter our Amen to God for his glory."
Jude 24-25 ESV "Now to him who is able to keep you from stumbling and to present you blameless before the presence of his glory with great joy, to the only God, our Savior, through Jesus Christ our Lord, be glory, majesty, dominion, and authority, before all time and now and forever. Amen."
"In fact, if you wish to know how libertarians regard the State and any of its acts, simply think of the State as a criminal band, and all of the libertarian attitudes will logically fall into place." - Murray Rothbard
He that is first in his own cause seemeth just; but his neighbour cometh and searcheth him. - Hebrew proverb
If you don't mind my interjection, but may I ask to whom the promises and patience of God are effective? If God desires all ["men without exception"] to repent and not perish rather than all ["the brethren" (which I would say is the contextual answer)], why does God decree the death of any man? If God's patience is to be regarded as salvation (verse 15), why isn't God patient with everyone? Why does He cut off the life of those who, with patience, might be "persuaded" to repent and not perish?
These are questions to which I have heard no good Arminianistic response. Off the top of my head, only Open-Theists are equipped to answer this from a non-Calvinistic perspective - and they have their own problems.
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