I knew that this immature kid was a kid, before I looked up his profile
Did my profile picture give it away, old sport?
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Originally Posted by Hreb
Well, when you prayed were you saved? Or did you just pray? When did you repent and believe? Or did you? How shall they call upon him (genuinely) whom they have not believed.
When I was 5, no. I was just going through motions. When I was 10, I repented and believed. How much more explicit do I need to be?
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Originally Posted by Hreb
Well, you started posting here at the age of 20, which makes you about 21 now. That time frame puts you in college about the time you started to debate and teach others Calvinism on this forum. Mighty small window to become such an expert. -- Herb Evans
Two years. I am more than willing to change my mind, if there is reason to do so. That would be why I believed the doctrines of grace in the first place
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Originally Posted by Hreb
No, that is when you became a REALIZER. -- Herb Evans
What of it? Do you get saved each time you come to realize the truth of a doctrine you didn't know or believe before, or did you learn everything at once?
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Originally Posted by Hreb
But we still do not know the time and place and circumstances of you getting faith. No mention of hearing the gospel and being convicted of your sins. No mention of repentance. The profession at 10 was a flop per your words. -- Herb Evans
Sure you do. I told you. You just don't want to hear it. I "got faith" when I was 10, heard the gospel since kindergarten but didn't trust in it until 10, I already said I was convicted of sin when I was sitting on the stool, wondering if I had taken what I had been taught seriously. From what was I asking salvation from, Hreb? Read between the lines, I shouldn't have to spell it out for you. I repented from my sin at the same time I asked God to save me. Hence I write:
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Originally Posted by Knight
...since then I have tried, and failed, to live as God tells His children to live.
You can try to smear me, but my words speak for themselves. I don't need you to interpret them for me.
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Originally Posted by Hreb
Well, please describe how God GAVE you faith (another Calvin speak). Non-Calvinists also believe that it was by God's doing that they were saved. Jesus told the woman, THY faith hath saved thee! -- Herb Evans
Calvin speak? I think you mean Paul speak:
Ephesians 2:8 For by grace are ye saved through faith; and that not of yourselves: it is the gift of God:
9 Not of works, lest any man should boast.
By His grace I was spiritually reborn and able and willing to come to Jesus, just like 1 John 5:1 and John 6:37-45 teach.
As for whose faith it is, I never said it wasn't mine. But it wasn't effected by myself, it was effected by God's grace. Lighting the straw men a tad early today, aren't we?
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Originally Posted by Hreb
No doubt from 10 to college, you never thought about anything that was spiritual. Then someone indoctrinated you to Calvinism but not to salvation??? -- Herb Evans
Right. Because in order to BE saved, one needs to know all the details about how one is able to come to belief
The simple message of the gospel is to believe in Christ because He is the foundation for salvation, Hreb. I don't put my trust in anything before that. If that's not enough for you to consider me saved, fine. If saying that means you think I neglected every other message of Scripture, fine. Lump all your prejudices onto me. I count each persecution as a blessing.
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Originally Posted by Knight
The basis of salvation is the death burial, and resurrection of Christ and one receiving it. -- Herb Evans
I said the basis of belief, not the basis of salvation. More straw men. Where have I said my faith has saved me?
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Originally Posted by Hreb
Not from my perspective. Having a head knowledge of something is not necessarily a heart knowledge, and it is the heart that believeth unto righteousness. From my perspecive, you like to mind HIGH things and gravitated to what you know believe. -- Herb Evans
"DITTO!"
When you do your little "burp!" or "yawn!" remarks, or refer to other as bottom feeders, and then proceed to whine and call those same people "mean" like you did on the other thread, you just come off as a big hypocrite. That's why I don't put much stock into what you think of me.
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Originally Posted by Hreb
I am not your accuser, but most Calvinists are not saved. I know one or two that are. I am not your judge, but your testimony does not ring true to me. -- Herb Evans
Thankfully for both of us, neither are the others' final judge.
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Originally Posted by Hreb
Your impatience and frustration is a sure sign of your immaturity. You still have not given me complete and satisfactory answers to my questions. When did you realize that you were spiritually alive and regenerated? Before you repented and believed (which we still do not know when or how or where) or after? -- Herb Evans
I'm just tired of your witch hunts. You constantly berate and read into others' remarks what's not there. To insinuate I haven't repented of my sins of trusted in Christ after I've contradicted you is as low as you can get.
I realized I was "regenerated" until afterward (age 10, I already told you this). I didn't know what regeneration was at the time I put my faith in Jesus. I don't see why it's necessary to know the technical definition if it is already implied in practice, evidenced by the fact I was able to have faith.
Man, the title of this thread certainly brings the Calvinist Snipers out of the woodwork. I think the title makes me the issue, therefore I should be afforded equal time. -- Herb Evans
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And by the holy Scriptures we understand, the Canonical Books of the Old and New Testament, as they are now translated into our English Mother-Tongue, of which there never hath been any doubt of their verity, and authority, in the protestant Churches of Christ to this day. --The English Orthodox Baptist Confession of 1679
1. Scriptures in the English mother tongue.
2. Authoritive in the English mother tongue.
3. No doubt as to their verity in the English mother tongue.
No, I did not know if that was your Mr. Hollywood needing a hair cut was your picture or not. You posted like a frustrated kid wanting his own way. You still do! -- Herb Evans
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And by the holy Scriptures we understand, the Canonical Books of the Old and New Testament, as they are now translated into our English Mother-Tongue, of which there never hath been any doubt of their verity, and authority, in the protestant Churches of Christ to this day. --The English Orthodox Baptist Confession of 1679
1. Scriptures in the English mother tongue.
2. Authoritive in the English mother tongue.
3. No doubt as to their verity in the English mother tongue.
When I was 5, no. I was just going through motions. When I was 10, I repented and believed. How much more explicit do I need to be? So, it just came to you out of the blue? No preacher? No witness. Just the stool and you? -- Herb Evans
Two years. I am more than willing to change my mind, if there is reason to do so. That would be why I believed the doctrines of grace in the first place. Well, that would be the thing to do in a Presbyterain college. My pastor is a former Presbyterian and he tells me that the folks in his old church did not know what Calvinism or salvation was. -- Herb Evans
What of it? Do you get saved each time you come to realize the truth of a doctrine you didn't know or believe before, or did you learn everything at once? No, but I never realized that I was saved until I was really saved. -- Herb Evans
Sure you do. I told you. You just don't want to hear it. I "got faith" when I was 10, heard the gospel since kindergarten but didn't trust in it until 10, I already said I was convicted of sin when I was sitting on the stool, wondering if I had taken what I had been taught seriously. From what was I asking salvation from, Hreb? Read between the lines, I shouldn't have to spell it out for you. I repented from my sin at the same time I asked God to save me. When you asked God to save you, when and how did you get assurance that you were saved? Most Calvinists that I know don't believe in praying to get salvation. Do you? -- Herb Evans
Hence I write:
You can try to smear me, but my words speak for themselves. I don't need you to interpret them for me. Smear you? I am just trying to keep you honest. -- Herb Evans
Calvin speak? I think you mean Paul speak:
Ephesians 2:8 For by grace are ye saved through faith; and that not of yourselves: it is the gift of God: 9 Not of works, lest any man should boast.
The only problem here is that the grace is the gift and not the faith. Jesus told the woman, THY faith hath saved thee. God did not believe FOR me, I did. -- Herb Evans
By His grace I was spiritually reborn and able and willing to come to Jesus, just like 1 John 5:1 and John 6:37-45 teach. So you had spiritual LIFE and was a new creature before you repented, believed, and came to Jesus? -- Herb Evans
As for whose faith it is, I never said it wasn't mine. Well, you can't have your cake and eat it too. It was either God's faith or yours. God does not have to believe -- He knows. -- Herb Evans
But it wasn't effected by myself, it was effected by God's grace. What non-Calvinist does not believe that? -- Herb Evans
Lighting the straw men a tad early today, aren't we? Just like lighting your tail feathers. -- Herb Evans
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No doubt from 10 to college, you never thought about anything that was spiritual. Then someone indoctrinated you to Calvinism but not to salvation??? -- Herb Evans
Right. Because in order to BE saved, one needs to know all the details about how one is able to come to belief So from 10 to college you were not saved since you did not know “all the details about how one is able to come to belief” – Herb Evans
The simple message of the gospel is to believe in Christ because He is the foundation for salvation, Hreb.
Well, it is a bit more than that. It is not Good News that Jesus died until it includes the element of the REMISSION OF OUR SINS or death "FOR OUR SINS." -- Herb Evans
I don't put my trust in anything before that. If that's not enough for you to consider me saved, fine. If saying that means you think I neglected every other message of Scripture, fine. Lump all your prejudices onto me. I count each persecution as a blessing.
Oh the poor Calvinist is being persecuted! I wonder if Servetus thought he was persecuting Calvin as he was burned by the Protestant flames. -- Herb Evans
The simple message of the gospel is to believe in Christ because He is the foundation for salvation, Hreb. I don't put my trust in anything before that. If that's not enough for you to consider me saved, fine. If saying that means you think I neglected every other message of Scripture, fine. Lump all your prejudices onto me. I count each persecution as a blessing.
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The basis of salvation is the death burial, and resurrection of Christ and one receiving it. -- Herb Evans
I said the basis of belief, not the basis of salvation. More straw men. Where have I said my faith has saved me?
The basis of belief is that faith comes by hearing and not by regeneration. -- Herb Evans
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Not from my perspective. Having a head knowledge of something is not necessarily a heart knowledge, and it is the heart that believeth unto righteousness. From my perspective, you like to mind HIGH things and gravitated to what you know believe. -- Herb Evans
"DITTO!"
DITO DITTO! – Herb Evans
When you do your little "burp!" or "yawn!" remarks, or refer to other as bottom feeders, and then proceed to whine and call those same people "mean" like you did on the other thread, you just come off as a big hypocrite. That's why I don't put much stock into what you think of me. I think that the word “hypocrite” that you use on me more than a couple of times is not as mild as the term bottom feeder that I use on one liner snipers that make me the issue. – Herb Evans
Thankfully for both of us, neither are the others' final judge. Yeah, Verily! – Herb Evans
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Your impatience and frustration is a sure sign of your immaturity. You still have not given me complete and satisfactory answers to my questions. When did you realize that you were spiritually alive and regenerated? Before you repented and believed (which we still do not know when or how or where) or after? -- Herb Evans
I'm just tired of your witch hunts. You constantly berate and read into others' remarks what's not there. To insinuate I haven't repented of my sins of trusted in Christ after I've contradicted you is as low as you can get. Don’t like to be challenged about your testimony, do you? Most Calvinists don’t and get angry like you do when they are so challenged. It is rough to be transparent. – Herb Evans
I realized I was "regenerated" until afterward (age 10, I already told you this). I didn't know what regeneration was at the time I put my faith in Jesus. So, it is possible that you were regenerated after you believed and repented, since you had no realization of it happening when it happened??? – Herb Evans
I don't see why it's necessary to know the technical definition if it is already implied in practice, evidenced by the fact I was able to have faith.
Then, why you want to get technical about everything else that you debate. Supposedly, the non-elect are not able to have faith, how can you be sure that you are not really the “non-elect and what you have is not faith at all but a mere intellectual knowledge and curiousity.” – Herb Evans
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And by the holy Scriptures we understand, the Canonical Books of the Old and New Testament, as they are now translated into our English Mother-Tongue, of which there never hath been any doubt of their verity, and authority, in the protestant Churches of Christ to this day. --The English Orthodox Baptist Confession of 1679
1. Scriptures in the English mother tongue.
2. Authoritive in the English mother tongue.
3. No doubt as to their verity in the English mother tongue.
What? the fact that you look like a puck?
Then the answer would be yes!
Now, is that "puck" like in a hockey puck or is it a puck like a demon or evil spirit or hobgoblin? I am unable to make the selection. -- Herb Evans
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And by the holy Scriptures we understand, the Canonical Books of the Old and New Testament, as they are now translated into our English Mother-Tongue, of which there never hath been any doubt of their verity, and authority, in the protestant Churches of Christ to this day. --The English Orthodox Baptist Confession of 1679
1. Scriptures in the English mother tongue.
2. Authoritive in the English mother tongue.
3. No doubt as to their verity in the English mother tongue.
Now, is that "puck" like in a hockey puck or is it a puck like a demon or evil spirit or hobgoblin? I am unable to make the selection. -- Herb Evans
No ... it's like a duck with its bill on backward!
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As I have gotten older, I have tended to become less dogmatic over certain issues: "(1 Cor 2:2 KJV) For I determined not to know any thing among you, save Jesus Christ, and him crucified."
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