__________________ So shall my word be that goeth forth out of my mouth: it shall not return unto me void, but it shall accomplish that which I please, and it shall prosper in the thing whereto I sent it. Isa 55:11
The truth about regeneration (the new birth) isn't about TULIP, it's about what Scripture says.
John 3:3 Jesus answered and said unto him, Verily, verily, I say unto thee, Except a person be born anew, he (absolutely) cannot see (percieve, be aware of) the kingdom of God
Scripture places birth before sight, and you place sight before birth.
I thought you were out of time. Answer my post! That is if you ever expect any thing that you post to be answered by me again. -- Herb Evans
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And by the holy Scriptures we understand, the Canonical Books of the Old and New Testament, as they are now translated into our English Mother-Tongue, of which there never hath been any doubt of their verity, and authority, in the protestant Churches of Christ to this day. --The English Orthodox Baptist Confession of 1679
1. Scriptures in the English mother tongue.
2. Authoritive in the English mother tongue.
3. No doubt as to their verity in the English mother tongue.
For those who want an in depth, thorough study (130 page print out) of the wicked nature and history of Calvinism from Augustine to now, here is an excellent link to the history and refutation of TULIP. -- Herb Evans
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And let those who are not found living as He taught, be understood to be no Christians, even though they profess with the lip the precepts of Christ; for not those who make profession, but those who do the works, shall be saved, according to His word: “Not every one who saith to Me, Lord, Lord, shall enter into the kingdom of heaven, but he that doeth the will of My Father which is in heaven.
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And by the holy Scriptures we understand, the Canonical Books of the Old and New Testament, as they are now translated into our English Mother-Tongue, of which there never hath been any doubt of their verity, and authority, in the protestant Churches of Christ to this day. --The English Orthodox Baptist Confession of 1679
1. Scriptures in the English mother tongue.
2. Authoritive in the English mother tongue.
3. No doubt as to their verity in the English mother tongue.
I wonder if it is possible that "Calvinist" or a single Calvinist can clearly, with Scripture, make a case for Regeneration before salvation.
There are only two passages in the NT that use the word "regeneration". The one in Matthew deals with the resurrection. The one is Titus 3:5 does not define a process for or against anyone's position.
Who will step forward and list the clear teaching form Scripture.
Please do not quote dead and or living authors. Tell us from the Bible. Can you as an individual without the statements form others make a case from Scripture on your position concerning "regeneration".
The door is open for you to lay it our Scripturally.
Have at it.
It's not there, so I don't see how anyone could.
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And let those who are not found living as He taught, be understood to be no Christians, even though they profess with the lip the precepts of Christ; for not those who make profession, but those who do the works, shall be saved, according to His word: “Not every one who saith to Me, Lord, Lord, shall enter into the kingdom of heaven, but he that doeth the will of My Father which is in heaven.
Originally Posted by GordonSlocum I wonder if it is possible that "Calvinist" or a single Calvinist can clearly, with Scripture, make a case for Regeneration before salvation.
There are only two passages in the NT that use the word "regeneration". The one in Matthew deals with the resurrection. The one is Titus 3:5 does not define a process for or against anyone's position.
Who will step forward and list the clear teaching form Scripture.
Please do not quote dead and or living authors. Tell us from the Bible. Can you as an individual without the statements form others make a case from Scripture on your position concerning "regeneration".
The door is open for you to lay it our Scripturally.
Have at it.
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Originally Posted by Butch5
It's not there, so I don't see how anyone could.
I can see how they might make a case of regeneration before salvation, but I cannot see them making a case for regeneration before repentance and belief. -- Herb Evans
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And by the holy Scriptures we understand, the Canonical Books of the Old and New Testament, as they are now translated into our English Mother-Tongue, of which there never hath been any doubt of their verity, and authority, in the protestant Churches of Christ to this day. --The English Orthodox Baptist Confession of 1679
1. Scriptures in the English mother tongue.
2. Authoritive in the English mother tongue.
3. No doubt as to their verity in the English mother tongue.
I can see how they might make a case of regeneration before salvation, but I cannot see them making a case for regeneration before repentance and belief. -- Herb Evans
Likewise we don't see how you can make a case for dead men taking the first move in the direction of salvation prior to God initiating the process within each person. The dead can't hear or see.
Butch, It is easy to make a case for those who are dead in trespasses and sins as repenting and believing to be regenerated, since their souls, spirits, and bodies are very much alive and conscious. -- Herb Evans
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And by the holy Scriptures we understand, the Canonical Books of the Old and New Testament, as they are now translated into our English Mother-Tongue, of which there never hath been any doubt of their verity, and authority, in the protestant Churches of Christ to this day. --The English Orthodox Baptist Confession of 1679
1. Scriptures in the English mother tongue.
2. Authoritive in the English mother tongue.
3. No doubt as to their verity in the English mother tongue.
Likewise we don't see how you can make a case for dead men taking the first move in the direction of salvation prior to God initiating the process within each person. The dead can't hear or see.
One word, "metaphor".
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And let those who are not found living as He taught, be understood to be no Christians, even though they profess with the lip the precepts of Christ; for not those who make profession, but those who do the works, shall be saved, according to His word: “Not every one who saith to Me, Lord, Lord, shall enter into the kingdom of heaven, but he that doeth the will of My Father which is in heaven.
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So shall my word be that goeth forth out of my mouth: it shall not return unto me void, but it shall accomplish that which I please, and it shall prosper in the thing whereto I sent it. Isa 55:11
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