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    In the current issue of the Sword of the Lord, it is reporting that BJU faculty member Dr. Randy Jaeggli has written a 72 page booklet entitled, The Christian and Drinking. The book apparently has a preface written by Dr. Stephen J. Hankins, Dean of BJU Seminary.

    This book allegedly declares that, although the Bible condemns "drunkenness," it does not forbid the drinking of alcohol as a beverage when used in moderation.

    I am curious as to whether this position is widely accepted on the campus of BJU and if this book is being sold in the bookstore?
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    In the current issue of the Sword of the Lord, it is reporting that BJU faculty member Dr. Randy Jaeggli has written a 72 page booklet entitled, The Christian and Drinking. The book apparently has a preface written by Dr. Stephen J. Hankins, Dean of BJU Seminary.

    This book allegedly declares that, although the Bible condemns "drunkenness," it does not forbid the drinking of alcohol as a beverage when used in moderation.

    I am curious as to whether this position is widely accepted on the campus of BJU and if this book is being sold in the bookstore?
    If you get a concordance and read all the verses on wine or strong drink, you will see that the statement is true. That being said, I don't drink, I teach my children not to drink. I do not like to see others drink. It's my personal conviction for personal reasons as well as the wisdom of scripture against being drunk.
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    Same here. I find it hard to believe a faculty member would write that without also adding something about the wisdom of not drinking. I'm not saying what you reported isn't true, or that it isn't factually correct as far as the Bible not condemning drinking outright. It would just go against everything I saw and heard in my 4 years. I realize BJ is changing their stance on some things, and so far I like all the changes, but this one would surprise and disappoint me.
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    I have the book but have not had time to read through it yet.

    I havd read some of the other books they put out in the series on Christian Liberty and have found them very balanced.
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    In the current issue of the Sword of the Lord, it is reporting that BJU faculty member Dr. Randy Jaeggli has written a 72 page booklet entitled, The Christian and Drinking. The book apparently has a preface written by Dr. Stephen J. Hankins, Dean of BJU Seminary.

    This book allegedly declares that, although the Bible condemns "drunkenness," it does not forbid the drinking of alcohol as a beverage when used in moderation.

    I am curious as to whether this position is widely accepted on the campus of BJU and if this book is being sold in the bookstore?
    You can get a summary of his position by listening to his Chapel Message from March 31, 2009, available here: http://www.bju.edu/events/chapel/not...4&day=1&day=16
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    I was reading the book entitled, Things I Have Learned - Chapel Talks by Bob Jones, Sr. In it, during a talk he called, Weights and Besetting Sins, he makes the following statements:

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    Sounds like Dr. Bob viewed things differently than does Dr. Randy Jaeggli and Dr. Stephen J. Hankins when it comes to adult beverages.
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    Before you know it, BJU will be having Communion and serving wine during vespers! They already have the Catholic robes and music. It would naturally be the next step.
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    I would imagine that they'll soon be selling beer and wine on campus to all students over the legal drinking age. Think of the revenue it would generate!
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