Yes, I will concede that BJU has taken an educated, intelligent and biblical approach to this issue. While the Sword of the Lord and that crowd is holding to their unbiblical position.

1) Because there is a real surge of American Christians that practice drinking "in moderation". They are very vocal in their defence of their position even though they only use a couple of verses to support drinking and ignor other verses that restrict it. There are several of them that post on the fff.

2) "What leaders do in moderation followers do in excess"

3) Alcohol is a real problem among believers in cultures that are highly alcoholic. For example European nations havea lot of national pastors who I'm guessing would not pass a breathalizer.

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Tit 1:16 They profess that they know God; but in works they deny him, being abominable, and disobedient, and unto every good work reprobate.

Even IF the Bible condones alcohol (such as in having a little for your stomach's sake) why in the world would any sane person want to risk becoming addicted to something that has caused so much misery to so many people?

It is a risk. But that is the beauty of the Christian life. God has given his word and Spirit and works in us to develop the fruit of the Spirit, and one of those is self-control.

I see.

Well, send me your address and I'll send you a kilo of crack and a bottle of Jack Daniels and you and the holy spirit have at it.

Now that was funny, i admit!

Do you honestly pray the Lord's model prayer? "lead us not into temptation"

We are supposed to stay away from temptation not voluntarily place ourselves in it. I Cor 10:13 says to take the way of escape.

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Tit 1:16 They profess that they know God; but in works they deny him, being abominable, and disobedient, and unto every good work reprobate.

Now that is a truly moronic approach, not to mention completely un-Biblical.

Scripture unequivocally states "flee from idolatry." All addictions are idolatry. It is absolutely impossible to flee while flirting with the risk. ABSOLUTELY IMPOSSIBLE!

Hello everyone this is my first post. I have taken the time to read many of the postings on this forum before participating. This topic concerning social drinking was of particular interest. Some of the opinions expressed point too some disturbing attitudes by some who consider themselves 'Fundamentalists'.

For the record I was trained and ordained in a Fundamentalist Bible college over thirty years ago. I have met, heard and hob nobbed with many of the leaders of the movement, (Malone, Hyles, Rice, Jones Jr., Grey, Dollar, Falwell etc...). What I figured out over the years as I began to work out my own salvation is that some Fundamentalists confuse 'conviction' with 'orthodoxy'.

I have never taken a sip of alcohol in my fifty-six years and probably never will. I agree there is no direct proabition against consuming alcohol in the Bible no matter if it is dilluted or not. However, if 'abstaining from all appearance of evil' is the proof text against social drinking then Jesus and his disciples violated that principle because best case scenerio is that they all drank dilluted wine. Nothing in the N.T. calls social drinking evil. But it does describe the unbridled tongue as evil.

Which is worse? A Christian sitting in a bar sipping on his favorite brew relaxing with friends, or proclaimed 'born agains' ripping each other apart over personal convictions on modern versions, social drinking or denominational labels? Personally, I would rather hang out in a bar where I would be unconditionally accepted than in a Church filled with legalism and judgementalism! That is why in some communities the churches are empty and the bars are full If I remember correctly, Jesus hung with the sinners, not the self righteous religous crowd.

Maybe we should spend more time discussing actions that the Bible actually condems like gluttony, pride and sowing discord among the bretheren.

There does not seem to be much shortage of these practices by many so called 'Fundamentalists'.

My prayer is that Christians of all denominations and affiliations will unify their energy and efforts in fighting the real enemy

We can all drink to that!!!!!!!!!!!

I'm glad your one and only post cleared all this up for us.