Since Jehoiachin was under age when eight years old, he required a regency
Who was the regent appointed for him?
I take it you believe that the Hebrew is in error.
Some offer the explanation that Jehoichain was declared king while his father yet lived, and reigned under his father from eight years old, and then reigned alone when eighteen.
Since Jehoiachin was under age when eight years old, he required a regency
Who was the regent appointed for him?
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Originally Posted by bibleprotector
I take it you believe that the Hebrew is in error.
Some offer the explanation that Jehoichain was declared king while his father yet lived, and reigned under his father from eight years old, and then reigned alone when eighteen.
Even James Ussher could not be satisfied with those explanations. For one, this would mean that his father made Jehoiachin 'co-regent' at the age of 8, which was only his father's second year. That makes no sense.
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That Bible verse you are asking about? I believe it means exactly what it says.
It is not my business if you use the New Version of The Happenin' Now or not. Nor is it your business if I use the KJV. It really shouldn't even be a question. They all say the first command is to Love God, the second is to love your neighbor, and all the rest follows when these are in order.
(Matthew 22:37-40)
Don't presume to tell me how God can and can't speak to me.
Do you have a link to the exact Ussher text ? Or if short enough, perhaps you can type it in. While I rarely refer to him in apologetics he is well respected in chronology and it would be interesting to read.
On a quick read I see :
The Annals of the World By James Ussher http://books.google.com/books?id=VrHER1jYzhIC&pg=PA98
After him, his son Jehoiachin, who was also called Coniah and Jeconiah, reigned three months and ten days in Jerusalem.
However he has many other books, such as Body of Divinity.
I take it you believe that the Hebrew is in error.
I take it you have an allergy to straight answers.
Some offer the explanation that Jehoichain was declared king while his father yet lived, and reigned under his father from eight years old, and then reigned alone when eighteen.
I guess "some" contradict what Will Kinney wrote, then (see above). You KJV nuts have to make up your mind.
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I have one (still in the origional box) that was printed upside down (no joke) does that count?
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Do you have a link to the exact Ussher text ? Or if short enough, perhaps you can type it in. While I rarely refer to him in apologetics he is well respected in chronology and it would be interesting to read.
On a quick read I see :
The Annals of the World By James Ussher http://books.google.com/books?id=VrHER1jYzhIC&pg=PA98
After him, his son Jehoiachin, who was also called Coniah and Jeconiah, reigned three months and ten days in Jerusalem.
However he has many other books, such as Body of Divinity.
Thanks.
Shalom,
Steven
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Originally Posted by Otmer
I have one (still in the origional box) that was printed upside down (no joke) does that count?
Otmer: hang on to that, it may be valuable one day.
Steven: addmitedly, I have not read the Ussher's notes on this study - The Sacred Chronology is in Latin, and I have only the remarks of one of the men who is translating them for publication in English. The MasterBooks edition of The Annals of the World (the 2004 printing - of which the appendices were by far more useful to me than the text itself so far) Appendix C: Ussher's Time Line for the Divided Kingdom explains Ussher's notes on page 893, and gives the 'scribal error' explanation for this particular discrepancy on p. 906f. In fairness, a Hebrew scholar I know says he doesn't hold to the particulars of the explanation here, but admits these passages are a difficulty in his opinion.
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That Bible verse you are asking about? I believe it means exactly what it says.
It is not my business if you use the New Version of The Happenin' Now or not. Nor is it your business if I use the KJV. It really shouldn't even be a question. They all say the first command is to Love God, the second is to love your neighbor, and all the rest follows when these are in order.
(Matthew 22:37-40)
Don't presume to tell me how God can and can't speak to me.
The MasterBooks edition of The Annals of the World .
Floyd Nolen Jones points out that James Ussher resorts to "scribal error" without warrant at times in his explanations. However to his credit, according to Jones, he does not mess with the chronology in those situations by emending the text.
Thus he would not be a great standard for apologetic understandings and explanations.
I'm not following Avery here. Perhaps it is Avery's lack of orthodoxy which prevents him from viewing Ussher as valuable in apologetics. It appears Avery wants to simply wipe away Ussher's contributions to this discussion because they do not align with Avery's assumptions.
Here is a nice tribute to Ussher's beliefs and his contributions to the Westminster Confession of Faith:
"In our proposed reading then, WCF §1.10 makes a point similar to one made by Archbishop James Ussher. Ussher—better known now for his calculation of the date of creation as 4004 B.C.—was one of the great theologians of the age. Many of the Westminster Divines revered him, despite his refusing Parliament’s invitation to serve among their number in the assembly. B. B. Warfield demonstrated that the Westminster Divines made extensive use of Ussher’s works in writing the WCF.29 In Ussher’s Sum and Substance of the Christian Religion, a work that was likely read by some of the Westminster Divines in 1645–46,30 the following statement appears, which shows that this theologian, so influential upon the Westminster Assembly, taught what our interpretation of WCF §1.10 suggests:
These Holy Scriptures are the rule, the line, the square, the light, whereby to examine and try all judgments and sayings of men and angels…. All traditions, revelations, decrees of Councils, opinions of doctors, &c., are to be embraced so far forth as they may be proved out of the divine Scriptures, and not otherwise (emphasis mine)."
Not to derail this thread, but I do find this to be another evidence of Avery's lack of appreciation for anything orthodox.
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The MasterBooks edition of The Annals of the World (the 2004 printing - of which the appendices were by far more useful to me than the text itself so far)
There are some problems with that edition, because the editor is known to have made changes. This book was marketed deceptively, claiming that it is the first translation into English from the Latin, even though there was a sound English translation made in the seventeenth century!
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