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    Old 11-06-2009, 09:33 PM
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    How many variations would you guess would be the largest number of variations of one rendering in various KJV editions? [One rendering may be one word in some editions or divided into two or three words in another edition]. How many variations would you consider to be a large number for a single rendering?
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    How many variations would you guess would be the largest number of variations of one rendering in various KJV editions? [One rendering may be one word in some editions or divided into two or three words in another edition]. How many variations would you consider to be a large number for a single rendering?
    Do changes in presentation of words in the proper line of historical editions of the King James Bible actually count as changes of rendering?

    With a word like "flowers", there are a variety of spellings, yet it is the same word.

    Even though the spelling appears as "thorowly" in several places in 1611, the correct form is "throughly" for those places, as is seen today. While this could appear to be a meaning change, it is not for a variety of reasons, such as printers' errors, unstandardised use of spelling, etc. Changing the spelling now, or pretending to go back to the 1611 today in these types of cases not only would be deceptive, but would be a deliberate change of meaning. This can be seen when words like "shamefacedness" are attacked by modernists who, in this case, ignore Dr Johnson.
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    Would this be a large number of variations for one rendering [five]?


    Leviticus 21:20
    crook-backed (1804 Oxford) [1790, 2005 Cambridge]
    crook-backt (1758, 1762, 1768, 1770, 1774, 1777, 1782, 1788, 1799 Oxford) [1637, 1769, 1817, 1824 Cambridge] {1611 London}
    crook backt [1768, 1773 Cambridge]
    crookbacked [CSTE]
    crookbackt (1769 Oxford, SRB Oxford, Oxford Classic) [DKJB]
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    Leviticus 21:20
    crook-backed (1804 Oxford) [1790, 2005 Cambridge]
    crook-backt (1758, 1762, 1768, 1770, 1774, 1777, 1782, 1788, 1799 Oxford) [1637, 1769, 1817, 1824 Cambridge] {1611 London}
    crook backt [1768, 1773 Cambridge]
    crookbacked [CSTE]
    crookbackt (1769 Oxford, SRB Oxford, Oxford Classic) [DKJB]
    Really, just five different spellings? Is there a historical basis for the CSTE spelling? Did any meanings change in the genuinely historical editions reckoned directly from the proper line listed above?

    It does not really matter, since we have the standard today.
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    Is there a historical basis for the CSTE spelling?
    Yes, there was a historical basis for the CSTE spelling as it is found in a Cambridge edition printed in 1790 and in an Oxford edition printed in 1804 and perhaps also in others.
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    Psalm 19:1
    handy work [1769 Cambridge] {1611 London}
    handy-work (1768, 1774 Oxford) [1768, 1817, 1824 Cambridge]
    handie-work [1637 Cambridge]
    handiwork [2005 Cambridge]
    handywork (1769 Oxford, SRB Oxford, Oxford Classic) [CSTE, DKJB]
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    Psalm 71:18
    gray headed {1611 London}
    gray-headed (1715, 1758, 1762, 1768, 1774, 1777, 1788 Oxford, Oxford Classic) [1637, 1768, 1773, 1817, 1824 Cambridge]
    grayheaded (1804 Oxford) [1869, 1873, 1887 Cambridge, CSTE]
    grey-headed [1769, 2005 Cambridge] {1824 London}
    greyheaded (SRB Oxford) [1833, 1837, 1844 Cambridge] {1817 London}
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    Matthew 12:1
    an-hungred [1768, 1769 Cambridge]
    an hungered (1762, 1788 Oxford) [1817 Cambridge]
    a hungred [1873 Cambridge]
    a-hungered [2005 Cambridge]
    an hungred (1769 Oxford, SRB Oxford, Oxford Classic) [CSTE]
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    Really, just five different spellings? ... Did any meanings change in the genuinely historical editions reckoned directly from the proper line listed above? It does not really matter, since we have the standard today.
    Amen. I am glad KJB defenders don't waste their time on stuff like this, which is mildly interesting yet irrelevant to the meaning and accuracy and majesty of our pure Bible.

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    Revelation 7:6
    Nepthali {1611 London}
    Nephthali [1637 Cambridge]
    Nephthalim (1758, 1762, 1774, 1777, 1788, 1795 Oxford) [1762, 1768, 1769, 1790, 1817, 1824, 1873, 2005 Cambridge]
    Nepthalim (1769 Oxford, SRB Oxford, Oxford Classic) [1833, 1844, 1869, 1887 Cambridge, CSTE, DKJB]
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