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    Default Geneva Bible Only!!!

    I know I have joked about it but this actually sounds good!

    I snatched this off the Sharper Iron forum for discussion here!

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    Geneva Bible Only
    by: Joseph Leavell

    Many are claiming today that only one English version of the Bible is blessed and inspired by God. The King James Bible, they say, is the Word of God for the English language. To use another version would be using something less than the Word of God. I wonder however if their well meaning loyalty to the King James Version is not misplaced.

    If one uses the same line of thinking as the King James Only proponents, it would be necessary to conclude that the King James Bible should be rejected and that we as American Christians should adopt the historically, ecclesiastically, and of course providentially blessed translation of the Bible known as the Geneva Bible. This is by no means an exhaustive study or comparison. In fact, I have only included three of the many arguments for the superiority of the Geneva Bible. My chief desire is to wet the reader’s appetite and open the door to research as well as help the reader understand the ludicrous thought patterns of the KJVO movement. This article is meant to be satyrical in nature, but it is geared to show that the same claims the KJVO crowd make can point the Christian to an even better translation of the Bible than the KJV.

    A Little History

    In 1553 Mary I, known as “Bloody Mary” took the throne of England. She, of course, was a Catholic who hated Protestants and showed her fervor by burning many Protestants at the stake. Many surviving Protestants fled to Switzerland and settled in the town of Geneva, which was governed by none other than the great John Calvin himself along with his assistant Theodore Beza.

    Quote Originally Posted by Gary Demar
    A number of English Protestant divines settled in Calvin's Geneva: Miles Coverdale, John Foxe, Thomas Sampson, and William Whittingham. With the protection of the Genevan civil authorities and the support of John Calvin and the Scottish Reformer John Knox, the Church of Geneva determined to produce an English Bible without the need for the imprimatur of either England or Rome - the Geneva Bible.

    By 1560 the entire Bible was translated into English. It was the first translation based entirely on the original Hebrew and Greek.


    Quote Originally Posted by Dr. William H. Noah and Dr. David L. Brown
    Between its first edition of 1560 and its last edition in 1644, 160 editions, totaling around a half million Bibles, were produced.
    This amazing Bible was not produced for a king, or for a pope, but rather so that people everywhere who spoke English would be able to possess their own Bible in their own language. In fact, it was privately funded from the exiles to Geneva, therefore no government or bishop could gain glory from its production.

    Reasons for holding to the GBO Position over KJVO position

    Proponents of King James onlyism use several arguments to detail why their position is correct and why any other version of the Bible is false. However, the following arguments used by KJV only proponents can be used against the KJVO position to prove the Geneva only position. These arguments are not exhaustive but are good reasons to repent of the King James Only position and adopt a Geneva Bible Only position.

    Argument Number One: The King James Bible has been used and blessed of God for almost four hundred years. KJVO people claim that since the KJV is older and used through more history than modern versions it has a higher claim to God’s blessing. However, the Geneva Bible is fifty one years older than the KJV and therefore has stood the test of more time than the KJV and thus is more worthy to claim the title “blessed of God.” The only reason it hasn’t been used more than the KJV is because it was outlawed by King James.

    Argument Number Two: “The King James is the version of our spiritual fathers. If it was good enough for them, it’s good enough for me.” While it is true that the KJV was used by great men of God like Spurgeon, the Geneva Bible far surpassed the KJV for godly use in its day. Do you think the Pilgrims brought a KJV Bible to the shores of America? Not on your life! They hated King James with a passion! In Jamestown it was the Geneva Bible that young John Rolfe used to share Christ with Pocahontas. It was the Geneva Bible that Gov. John Bradford of Massachusetts quoted when writing his history of the colony.

    Quote Originally Posted by Dr. William H. Noah and Dr. David L. Brown
    Even the famous Puritan preacher John Cotton used a copy of the Geneva Bible and not the KJV.
    In fact, even in England it was the Geneva Bible that many of the translators of the KJV themselves used, most even after the translation of the KJV. Why? Because they knew that the Geneva Bible was superior to their own translation. The only reason the Geneva Bible lost its popularity was because King James himself outlawed its printing and made owning one a felony. If allowed to survive this tyrannical decree, I believe it would have been the Geneva Bible that sits in our pews today, not the KJV. However, the last official printing of the Geneva Bible was in 1644 after about 160 marvelous editions had been published.

    Along the lines of this argument, it can legitimately be said that if you hold to at least three points of Calvinism, you should use the Geneva Bible. Why? Because of the extraordinary translation that Calvin and his godly town of Geneva put forth for Christians. This Geneva Bible was so powerful that both the pope in Rome and King James himself saw it as a threat to their domains. In the marginal notes the Geneva Bible states, “The beast that cometh out of the bottomless pit (Rev. 11:7) is the Pope, which hath his power out of hell and cometh thence.” It also stated in the marginal notes that it was ok to civilly disobey a tyrannical leader and that is why King James viewed it as a threat (maybe this is where the KJVO thinking that marginal notes are evil comes from). If James were such a righteous king, he would have had no problem with this Bible and would have not tried to destroy it. It makes one rethink the need for the KJV. Could the KJV have been a Satanic plot to replace the superior Geneva Bible? No one can say for certain, but perhaps it is something to consider. We as American Christians owe much to John Calvin and the Geneva Bible.

    Argument number three: The King James is based off of Erasmus’ TR Greek text and the MT Hebrew text. They had godly, educated translators to ensure the quality of their translation. Whatever the claims of the KJV, the Geneva Bible supercedes all claims. For instance, the King James based their New Testament translation off of the TR of Theodore Beza. Not only did the Geneva translators have the version of the TR printed by Beza, but Beza himself was in Geneva while the Geneva Bible was being translated! Talk about having a scholar of note and education at your fingertips!


    Quote Originally Posted by Dr. William H. Noah and Dr. David L. Brown
    Assisted by Beza and possibly Calvin himself, several English exiles were involved in the translating, but it is impossible to say how many. Miles Coverdale, who produced the Coverdale and Great Bibles, resided in Geneva for a time and may have assisted, and a similar claim may be advanced in favor of John Knox.

    What godly men to have translating this great work! It seems that the KJV was only a poor copy of the work of the Geneva translators, without the Geneva’s marginal notes that would offend both king and pope, of course.
    Summary: If the Geneva Bible was good enough for the Puritan Pilgrims, the founders of our great country, then it's good enough for me. As a Christian, and as an American, I implore you to see the necessity of reviving the Geneva Bible in the United States. In closing, let me just say if you truly want to be a godly, Spirit filled Christian, you need not use the corrupted AV, but the pure GV. I challenge you to compare the two. You will be suprised!
    “For Truly I say unto you, Till heaven, and earth perish, one iota or one tittle of the Law shall not escape, till all things be fulfilled.” (Matt. 5:18 Geneva Bible)

    Sources:
    http://www.logosresourcepages.org/idx_geneva.htm Dr. William H. Noah and Dr. David L. Brown

    http://reformed.org/documents/geneva/Geneva.html by Gary Demar

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    Excellent information.

    One of the major problems I see is financial. I can buy an entire KJV (1769 revision) in pb at the Dollar Store for $3.95.

    What does a Geneva Bible cost and where do I can one?
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    You can get a Geneva for free through eSword ...

    Or is this where I start talking about the Geneva Bible as "The Pearl of Great Price" and admonish you to sell all that you have that you might obtain it?
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    Thanks for the info. It has definitely sparked, in me, an interest in the Geneva Bible.
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    One of the things I love with eSword is the availability of historic Bibles. You can get Tyndale, Wycliffe, Luther, the Bishop's, the Geneva, etc. Great to compare how verses have been translated over the years.
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    Quote Originally Posted by phoenix
    Or is this where I start talking about the Geneva Bible as "The Pearl of Great Price" . .
    Man, when I see "The Pearl of Great Price" in quotations and caps like that, I immediately think of the Mormon volume of sacred works that are considered equal to Scripture. YOU SCARED ME!!

    Guess it is knee-jerk living in LDS territory.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Dr. Bob Griffin
    Man, when I see "The Pearl of Great Price" in quotations and caps like that, I immediately think of the Mormon volume of sacred works that are considered equal to Scripture. YOU SCARED ME!!

    Guess it is knee-jerk living in LDS territory.
    ACK!!

    I have Mormon relatives, and completely forgot about that one. I spent the afternoon once with a Mormon missionary (I was 8), and he confused me enough that I knew I'd never want to be a Mormon.
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