I haven't talked to Mark in at least 15 years, and I doubt he would even remember who I am. IOW, I, by no means, could be classified a friend of his...but, apparently he judged you to be too immature to handle the pastorate of a group of people after watching you for a year. In that, I would agree with him completely. Any man who would post private conversations on the internet, and spread his conflict with another before the entire world to see is clearly immature - at best. It would be one thing if there was a valid moral reason to display such things. There clearly is not, or you would have most defiintely brought it up.
He fired you. You don't like it. IMHO, based solely on your posts on this thread he was right to fire you, and any other pastor who would hire you ought to have his head examined.
You're welcome.
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I haven't talked to Mark in at least 15 years, and I doubt he would even remember who I am. IOW, I, by no means, could be classified a friend of his...but, apparently he judged you to be too immature to handle the pastorate of a group of people after watching you for a year. In that, I would agree with him completely. Any man who would post private conversations on the internet, and spread his conflict with another before the entire world to see is clearly immature - at best. It would be one thing if there was a valid moral reason to display such things. There clearly is not, or you would have most defiintely brought it up.
He fired you. You don't like it. IMHO, based solely on your posts on this thread he was right to fire you, and any other pastor who would hire you ought to have his head examined.
You're welcome.
I don't welcome it. This is the sort of thing Bassinco Blogs are made from.
All powerful and never questioned senior pastors needlessly use and toss a lot of young guys. Who should have been the mentor in this situation? If that senior pastor didn't like how "mature" his assistant was he should have led him to maturity.
I think you did a giant leap to assume your old HAC buddy was right.
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Trust me, I am months past the season of discouragement. I and my wife are definitely past this and are excited with what the Lord has in front of us. After all is said and done, I believe the hand of God was in all of this. The will of God and the wisdom of God is a wonderful thing! He knew that the only way he can push me out to step out in faith and start a church is through something like this. Once I did, I can honestly say that I've never been happier.
If it is as you say, I am happy for you. However, your long post of the situation had some pretty sharp barbs at Pastor Neal, and certainly sounds as though you are not over it. It reads as if you still have something against him... you accuse him of going to spread lies and distortions, and you appear to have recorded him without his knowledge or consent, based upon what you wrote. This action is not one of a open, honest, upright Christian.
I am on no one's "side" of this -- I don't know you and I don't know Pastor Neal; from what you have posted, he was in the wrong. However, I know from experience that when people are hurt, the testimony regarding the hurt is not always dispassionate or objective. I'm quite sure that his account of what happened would have the same facts, but put into a different light. So, I am not qualified to judge the matter -- you HAVE posted here, however, and I, as an outsider, am merely telling you the impressions that the post have give me. I have not listened to the audio -- I haven't made the time yet.
To the other part of your post -- amen! The wisdom of God and His will are indeed wonderful! So glad to hear you are excited with what and where He may lead you.
May God bless you as you live for Him!
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I see what you mean. Thanks for the honest analysis. I do not regret recorded him. I only regret not recording him more. People tend to act differently if you tell them that they are on record. Nevertheless, I do see your point. Noone in the English ministry has any idea of what has gone wrong, and I intend to keep it that way. I thought this would be a good prevention plan, but who cares, right. The judge of the earth will do right. He is my Defender. Ha!
Hey, Walt, do you think I should just delete this whole thing or do you simply disagree with the tone?
I guess what motivated me more than anything is what happened in the second recording (which I have not posted yet); viz. a lie in front of all the deacons. I was not sure what else would be made up. If one listens to the first recording, there is no way he could have honestly stated in the second recording that he opposed me starting a new church.
But yet, in light of God, who cares. I guess as a young preacher I am trying to find the balance between being wise as a serpent and gentle as a dove; between personal responsibility and dependence on God.
I haven't talked to Mark in at least 15 years, and I doubt he would even remember who I am. IOW, I, by no means, could be classified a friend of his...but, apparently he judged you to be too immature to handle the pastorate of a group of people after watching you for a year. In that, I would agree with him completely. Any man who would post private conversations on the internet, and spread his conflict with another before the entire world to see is clearly immature - at best. It would be one thing if there was a valid moral reason to display such things. There clearly is not, or you would have most defiintely brought it up.
He fired you. You don't like it. IMHO, based solely on your posts on this thread he was right to fire you, and any other pastor who would hire you ought to have his head examined.
You're welcome.
Well I am not sure how he would observe me for almost two years and find me mature enough to ordain me. I believe that fundamentally he is a good man. If that was not so, I would not had referred a couple prospects to his church this last week, and I certainly would made sure that everyone in his church was aware of the injustice. I sincerely believe that after a couple of years, after these things pass, we can become good friends. Yet, this situation highlights a fundamental problem in fundamentalism. Let's just say that you are right. Pastor Neal "fired" because he saw some immaturity in me. In fact, lets just say he saw an overwhelming dose of immaturity in me. If this is true there are two problems: (1) Why would he ordain such an immature individual and hire him in the first place? (2) Where in the Bible does it state that one removes a man of God from his post because of immaturity?
I think these are fair questions. Nevertheless, I did take your critic to heart. Maybe, I am being immature for posting the facts out in the public. Those are real heart-searching questions.
I see what you mean. Thanks for the honest analysis. I do not regret recorded him. I only regret not recording him more. People tend to act differently if you tell them that they are on record. Nevertheless, I do see your point. No one in the English ministry has any idea of what has gone wrong, and I intend to keep it that way. I thought this would be a good prevention plan, but who cares, right. The judge of the earth will do right. He is my Defender. Ha!
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Hey, Walt, do you think I should just delete this whole thing or do you simply disagree with the tone?
Well... you're probably a better Christian than I am.
But I think it would be better to delete it. God Almighty is able to look after our reputations better than we can ourselves. Jesus Christ, our Example, did not respond to the lies and distortions that were told about Him -- He allowed His Father to straighten out the record. I think God will bless you if you take it out of your hands and put it into His.
Having said all this, it is very hard (at least for me) to do this. I very much want to defend myself when another speaks falsely concerning me.
May God bless you!
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This views expressed in this post are my own opinion (though I would have thought that obvious)
FTR, he wasn't a buddy. I doubt we ever said anything more to each other than hello. I didn't run with the Berean crowd at school. I didn't like 'em much.
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All powerful and never questioned senior pastors needlessly use and toss a lot of young guys. Who should have been the mentor in this situation? If that senior pastor didn't like how "mature" his assistant was he should have led him to maturity.
Fair point.
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Titus 2:8 Sound speech, that cannot be condemned; that he that is of the contrary part may be ashamed, having no evil thing to say of you.
I think these are fair questions. Nevertheless, I did take your critic to heart. Maybe, I am being immature for posting the facts out in the public. Those are real heart-searching questions.
As Walt said, may God lead you to know Him and what He would have you do as you follow on to know the Lord.
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