Thanks for the breakdown. In today's economy, $60,0000 per year would be a good start, especially if that is the pastor's only source of income. Some churches can't afford to pay a full time position and the pastor will also work another job as well. This should be up front before the pastor accepts the position. I don't agree with breaking it down per hour as there are secular positions that are salaried as well, regardless of the hours actually put in.
Good post. I know that our pastor is paid more than $60k per year, but he has been there for 23 years. Also, I completely agree about the not breaking it down per hour if it's salary. I'm one of those salary workers, and it gets depressing when you do that.
What is taking place at Berean? - Probably a lot of soulwinning
The rumor mill says that there is a melt down taking place in orange park. Are the Neals guilty of fleecing the flock for their own gains? Not likely
Dr. Tom, what kind of house do you live in? Does it matter? What kind of house do YOU live in... Just because you are not succesful in what ever it is you do then do not be jealous of someone who has a nicer house.
Of course you have probably earned what you have here on Earth. Dr. Tom please answer this question. How do the people of Berean owe you? He has been a faithful pastor that has labored there for many years. HE has taken the responsiblity for their souls.
Have you not received a more than fair compensation as pastor of Berean? What is a fair compensation for any pastor? OH WAIT I BET YOU ARE ONE OF THOSE DEACONS.... that want to keep the Pastor poor and beging for money... yes.... I Pastored one of those churches once. About bankrupted me and my family.. THOUSANDS of dollars in the bank and they could not spare 200 more dollars a week...
Every Pastor should make a minimum of 80,000 per year. I can explain why if you want.
What ever Bereanites may owe you, have you not exchanged that debt for filthy silver? You have issues...
What about little Greg?- He is not little any more
What riches has he gained? Those he has earned
What true good has his "Amanda" foundation done? MMMM.. once again... is that your business? I since a little envy here.
Has this foundation been used to shelter a financial fleecing of Berean? OH this is serious now... accusations of illegal activity.. WOW... If you can not back them up I would probably just not say that anymore...
These are questions and questions only. Are solid church members being shoved out the door for asking to many questions? I would imagine NOT.. trouble makers maybe.. Oh wait let me guess everyone that leave Berean is an Angel and those who stay are devils in your eyes... right?
That is what the rumor mill is saying. WOW WHAT DOES THE BIBLE SAY ABOUT GOSSIP?????????
Will somebody from Berean answer these questions? I doubt it.
How about Dr. Tom answer these questions? He is probably too busy to bother with a no one like you to answer questions that YOU have no reason to know the answers for...
SO crawl back in your box and go to sleep....
The Equalizer
Bringing Justice to IFB churches everywhere..
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OOOPSS forgot this one...
Ok if I remember correctly you wanted me to show you why we should pay pastors 60,000 minimum a year.. ok here we go...
1. 60,000- 15 percent for SS tax ( remember if you are employed someone pays half this for you.)
2Now we are downto 51,000 per year. That is less than 1000 dollars per week. Regular tax will be taken out on that depending upon the size of the family. Lets say 10,000 in taxes??? rough extimate..
3. Now we are down to 41,000 per year after tax. This breaks down to roughly... 788 per week, Now this is a good amount to have a pastor brining home each week so he is NOT stressed out over bills.
4. Things that are absent that most church memebers get.. You get 401k contribution, YOU get health insurance contribution, YOU get workers comp, YOU get reembersement for most work related expense.
5. A TRUE Pastor is on call 24 x 7, Most would work 60 hours per week, which would break down to around 16 dollars an hour. I make around 30 dolllars an hour. I think that my pastor should be making at least HALF of what I make. He should be making 30 dollars an hour plus... BUT .... 60000 is a good starting point. Considering if you DONT WANT him on Medicade food stamps, wic, kids on medicare like 90 percent of IFB pastors ARE... I mean insurance alone is 600 plus a month..
The attitude of most are WELL JUST KEEP HIM POOR AND HUMBLE, STICK HIM IN A PARSONAGE SO WE CAN STAY IN HIS BUSINESS AND MAKE SURE HE DONT OWN NOTHIN AT ALL SO WHEN WE KICK HIM OUT HE AINT GOTS NO WHERE TO GO>..... Sorry Been there done that... and 60000 is really not enough to pay a pastor but a good start.
The Equalizer,
Bringing justice to IFB churches everywhere...
Sorry to stir up problems a month later. I just read this thread just now and am surprised no one noticed this. You mentioned a pastor is worth $80,000 at first, but broke down $60,000 instead. Also, you did not take into account housing allowance. You mentioned your pastor should get at least half of what you make... the Bible says he is worth double. Every area is different. A pastor shouldn't be paid over abundantly- this will cause strife between his flock. But he shouldn't be under paid either.
Curtis Hutson told of when he was first a pastor- in an American Baptist Church. It was setup (by the deacons) that the pastor would only get paid by whatever the church gave him as a "love offering" every week. The church was small, so it wasn't very much. When the church started growing, so did the love offerings. When the deacons found out the love offerings started averaging $5,000 a week, they were "led of the Lord" to setup a Pastoral Salary.
Note: I personally believe a Pastor can have other forms of income, as long as they don't interfere with his ministry. Joel Osteen for example- $4 million advance on his second book-not including his first book, PLUS the benefits of teaching Word-Faith "doctine" to thousands of willing church members (Word of Faith is like a pyramid scheme- it's perfect for whoever's on top!)... more power to him. There is a local pastor in my town- drives around in a Yellow Corvette. Paid for it himself- he is an investor. It doesn't interfere with his ministry or his church. His church doesn't mind- then good for him.
There is a local pastor in my town- drives around in a Yellow Corvette. Paid for it himself- he is an investor. It doesn't interfere with his ministry or his church. His church doesn't mind- then good for him.
What if his church did mind? Would he be wrong to drive a corvette then?
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Sorry to stir up problems a month later. I just read this thread just now and am surprised no one noticed this. You mentioned a pastor is worth $80,000 at first, but broke down $60,000 instead. Also, you did not take into account housing allowance. You mentioned your pastor should get at least half of what you make... the Bible says he is worth double. Every area is different. A pastor shouldn't be paid over abundantly- this will cause strife between his flock. But he shouldn't be under paid either.
Curtis Hutson told of when he was first a pastor- in an American Baptist Church. It was setup (by the deacons) that the pastor would only get paid by whatever the church gave him as a "love offering" every week. The church was small, so it wasn't very much. When the church started growing, so did the love offerings. When the deacons found out the love offerings started averaging $5,000 a week, they were "led of the Lord" to setup a Pastoral Salary.
Note: I personally believe a Pastor can have other forms of income, as long as they don't interfere with his ministry. Joel Osteen for example- $4 million advance on his second book-not including his first book, PLUS the benefits of teaching Word-Faith "doctine" to thousands of willing church members (Word of Faith is like a pyramid scheme- it's perfect for whoever's on top!)... more power to him. There is a local pastor in my town- drives around in a Yellow Corvette. Paid for it himself- he is an investor. It doesn't interfere with his ministry or his church. His church doesn't mind- then good for him.
I missed the 80,000 probably sleepy... but anyways, I agree he should make double, my statement about making half was an "at least". The majority of churchs feel their pastor should be poor, they may not out right say it but they show it in their actions. I have heard decons say that if their Pastor is preaching out or has another source of income that is wrong! I totally disagree with them. One of the major reasons most get out of the ministry is that it is killing their families and they are going bankrupt while demon filled decons drive caddys and live in fine houses. Go figure.
The Equalizer
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In my humble opinion.. Have we come so far in internet land that we REALLY have to do this?
What is taking place at Berean? - Probably a lot of soulwinning
The rumor mill says that there is a melt down taking place in orange park. Are the Neals guilty of fleecing the flock for their own gains? Not likely
Dr. Tom, what kind of house do you live in? Does it matter? What kind of house do YOU live in... Just because you are not succesful in what ever it is you do then do not be jealous of someone who has a nicer house.
Of course you have probably earned what you have here on Earth. Dr. Tom please answer this question. How do the people of Berean owe you? He has been a faithful pastor that has labored there for many years. HE has taken the responsiblity for their souls.
Have you not received a more than fair compensation as pastor of Berean? What is a fair compensation for any pastor? OH WAIT I BET YOU ARE ONE OF THOSE DEACONS.... that want to keep the Pastor poor and beging for money... yes.... I Pastored one of those churches once. About bankrupted me and my family.. THOUSANDS of dollars in the bank and they could not spare 200 more dollars a week...
Every Pastor should make a minimum of 80,000 per year. I can explain why if you want.
What ever Bereanites may owe you, have you not exchanged that debt for filthy silver? You have issues...
What about little Greg?- He is not little any more
What riches has he gained? Those he has earned
What true good has his "Amanda" foundation done? MMMM.. once again... is that your business? I since a little envy here.
Has this foundation been used to shelter a financial fleecing of Berean? OH this is serious now... accusations of illegal activity.. WOW... If you can not back them up I would probably just not say that anymore...
These are questions and questions only. Are solid church members being shoved out the door for asking to many questions? I would imagine NOT.. trouble makers maybe.. Oh wait let me guess everyone that leave Berean is an Angel and those who stay are devils in your eyes... right?
That is what the rumor mill is saying. WOW WHAT DOES THE BIBLE SAY ABOUT GOSSIP?????????
Will somebody from Berean answer these questions? I doubt it.
How about Dr. Tom answer these questions? He is probably too busy to bother with a no one like you to answer questions that YOU have no reason to know the answers for...
SO crawl back in your box and go to sleep....
The Equalizer
Bringing Justice to IFB churches everywhere..
It is funny how you purely defend a church but you have not been a member of that church and are clueless about what goes on there. That is called "stupidity". About Tom Neal's house, yes he does have a very very nice one as well as very expensive (50,000+) cars that his church pays for, but his church is in the red (debt). It says in the Bible to be prudent and a good steward of your money, especially that which comes from your church? it seems as though you are bitter against your former church for not paying you enough, why are you in the ministry? Money or People? Another thing, you are trying to compare Tom Neal to your former situation, you were broke, Tom Neal is very very well off, He lives more than comfortably, so your comparison makes no sense and does not relate. Now, Your "Every Pastor should make a minimum of 80G a year" statement is absurd and clearly not all pastors can no make that much (location, experience ect), how you can say a statement like that is beyond me and 99% of Pastor's would disagree with you on that absurd statement. That statement is clearly uneducated (you have issues). You say more likely than not that the members being shoved out are trouble makers, once again, you are speculating, just like you accused of the man before for speculating about illegal activity (even if it may not be true). Not every person that gets shoved out of a church is a trouble maker, having that mindset gives the impression that a pastor is perfect. you call yourself the Equalizer, but you are clearly very uneducated about matters. It is sad to see a "pastor" think this way, expecially when I know college theology students which think more efficiently than you do. Wow, talk about a drone!
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Every area is different. A pastor shouldn't be paid over abundantly- this will cause strife between his flock. But he shouldn't be under paid either.
There is a local pastor in my town- drives around in a Yellow Corvette. Paid for it himself- he is an investor. It doesn't interfere with his ministry or his church. His church doesn't mind- then good for him.
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