Originally Posted by The Doc

Why does he have to run every one else down.

Originally Posted by beareanshockandawe

I think Bro. Neal, along with a handful of other men, are begining to change their tune and accually are attempting to be "Christ-like" with each other. I seem to see that trials and tribulations are the great equalizer, not the Equalizer.

Originally Posted by beareanshockandawe

I think Bro. Neal, along with a handful of other men, are begining to change their tune and accually are attempting to be "Christ-like" with each other. I seem to see that trials and tribulations are the great equalizer, not the Equalizer.

Originally Posted by The Equalizer

I did, but the computer froze or something. I had it open in a new window and it went blank... Can I do this tomorrow. It is 1:15 and I have toget up a 6 AM. Sorry but I REALLY do have a good explanation. I think you will see my point.

The Equalizer

Originally Posted by Mathew Ward

We never saw your point...I know you will be getting to this tomorrow

Originally Posted by The Equalizer

Ok if I remember correctly you wanted me to show you why we should pay pastors 60,000 minimum a year.. ok here we go...


1. 60,000- 15 percent for SS tax ( remember if you are employed someone pays half this for you.)

2Now we are downto 51,000 per year. That is less than 1000 dollars per week. Regular tax will be taken out on that depending upon the size of the family. Lets say 10,000 in taxes??? rough extimate..

3. Now we are down to 41,000 per year after tax. This breaks down to roughly... 788 per week, Now this is a good amount to have a pastor brining home each week so he is NOT stressed out over bills.

4. Things that are absent that most church members get.. You get 401k contribution, YOU get health insurance contribution, YOU get workers comp, YOU get reimbursement for most work related expense.

5. A TRUE Pastor is on call 24 x 7, Most would work 60 hours per week, which would break down to around 16 dollars an hour. I make around 30 dolllars an hour. I think that my pastor should be making at least HALF of what I make. He should be making 30 dollars an hour plus... BUT .... 60000 is a good starting point. Considering if you DON'T WANT him on Medicade food stamps, wic, kids on medicare like 90 percent of IFB pastors ARE... I mean insurance alone is 600 plus a month..

Originally Posted by The Equalizer

OOOPSS forgot this one...

Ok if I remember correctly you wanted me to show you why we should pay pastors 60,000 minimum a year.. ok here we go...


1. 60,000- 15 percent for SS tax ( remember if you are employed someone pays half this for you.)
-this may or may not apply as pastors can opt out of social security at the start of their ministry. It's a one time decision that cannot be changed. Will accept this as it is your position.

2. Now we are downto 51,000 per year. That is less than 1000 dollars per week. Regular tax will be taken out on that depending upon the size of the family. Lets say 10,000 in taxes??? rough extimate..
-OK

3. Now we are down to 41,000 per year after tax. This breaks down to roughly... 788 per week, Now this is a good amount to have a pastor brining home each week so he is NOT stressed out over bills.
-Depends on what bills the pastor has. At one church I was part of, the church paid for the pastors rent, utilities, gasoline, doctor bills, telephone, so his "bills" were limited to groceries and personal spending. He used to go "without a salary" when financial times were tough at the church. This made a big impression until we found out what the church paid for him.

4. Things that are absent that most church memebers get.. You get 401k contribution, YOU get health insurance contribution, YOU get workers comp, YOU get reembersement for most work related expense.
-Most of these are voluntary and still come out of a salary. A pastor has every opportunity to do these on his own, including getting re-imbursed by the church for work related expenses. My health insurance premiums comes out of my salary.

5. A TRUE Pastor is on call 24 x 7, Most would work 60 hours per week, which would break down to around 16 dollars an hour. I make around 30 dolllars an hour. I think that my pastor should be making at least HALF of what I make. He should be making 30 dollars an hour plus... BUT .... 60000 is a good starting point. Considering if you DONT WANT him on Medicade food stamps, wic, kids on medicare like 90 percent of IFB pastors ARE... I mean insurance alone is 600 plus a month..
-The position of a pastor is a salaried vs an hourly job, so the hours worked vary by the needs of the organization. I agree that many make themselves available 24/7. I'm not sure where you come up with 90% of IFB pastors are on welfare, but such has not been my experience. I see more of our military in this postion than pastors. Something to be considered is that many pastors receive "gifts" from church members on a regular basis. This could be groceries, meals, gasoline, automobile repair/maintenance or cash and none of these are part of their salary.

The attitude of most are WELL JUST KEEP HIM POOR AND HUMBLE, STICK HIM IN A PARSONAGE SO WE CAN STAY IN HIS BUSINESS AND MAKE SURE HE DONT OWN NOTHIN AT ALL SO WHEN WE KICK HIM OUT HE AINT GOTS NO WHERE TO GO>..... Sorry Been there done that... and 60000 is really not enough to pay a pastor but a good start.
-That's a pretty cynical attitude, but I won't argue it's existence. A church should take care of it's pastor and his family without making him poor.
The Equalizer,
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