I heard this past week that Scott Gray is moving to Indiana to FBC, leaving Dr. Tony Hutsons church. I heard it from a reliable source, a church member who is a personal and favorite friend of Bro. Bob.
I saw a flyer for Pastors School in Ind. that multiple speakers would be teaching this year, Patch the Pirate (not as Patch though), Frank Garlock, etc.
I wonder if Dr. Gray will go, seeing as he has, in the past, tagged these men as going liberal.

Why would they be considered liberal? Most Hyles-associated churches that I have ever been in have honky-tonk piano players. I've just never been in one that plays sacred music in a calm manner, they're always banging the keys. Before anyone slams me, one of my very best friends is one of these players and I love to listen to her.

well, I guess what I heard was true, Scott Gray will be on staff and FBC and teaching Bible at HAC.
about the liberal thing, it is mostly about the music having a beat, also about preaching and "performing" at church other than IFB churches.

well, I guess what I heard was true, Scott Gray will be on staff and FBC and teaching Bible at HAC.
about the liberal thing, it is mostly about the music having a beat, also about preaching and "performing" at church other than IFB churches.

Dr. Schaap has an odd way of including some men that Dr. Hyles would not include. I think it is a positive thing for Pastors' School. Pastors' School used to be a time when Hylesites got together and bashed anyone who did not stand 100% with them. Now I believe Dr. Schaap is trying to develop some sense of unity among different types of speakers.

I believe that you are right, I know that was the greatest wish of Dr. Hyles, that the pastors would quit the bickering, competitions, backstabbing, etc. and just serve the Lord.

I saw a flyer for Pastors School in Ind. that multiple speakers would be teaching this year, Patch the Pirate (not as Patch though), Frank Garlock, etc.
I wonder if Dr. Gray will go, seeing as he has, in the past, tagged these men as going liberal.

I remember the day when LBT banned all "new" Patch the Pirate tapes. They had sold a great number of Harold the King. It had a more upbeat than previous tapes. As soon as the Music Police heard it, they quietly took them out of the bookstore. If any members mentioned it, they were told they could be exchanged or refunded their money. But the big break with Ron Hamilton came when they recieved a poster with their daughter representing some kind of classical seminar or something, I do not remember for sure, but she was wearing a tux - every one was like "she's wearing pants, we can't endorse them anymore." At the time, I was right along with them, shaking my head about how sad it was. I am so ashamed of myself.:o

It's okay toaster, I did the same thing. But Thank God He opened our eyes and is allowing us to redeem the time we spent at LBT. Now we can repair relationships, learn from the Bible (not what the man interprets it to be), rejoice and not be afraid, there is so much more.

Scott Gray's move to HAC is a significant because their were so many kids who grew up in Texas went to LCA k - 12 and wanted to attend an out of state college to begin a new life, away from parents, away from their past, wanted to attend HAC to have their own life. But that was a BIG NO NO! Many, many times it was preached that if you are from LBT that you have no right to attend another college, essentially you were a traitor. The parents and the kids were preached to and about, even literally being called a traitor. And now Scott Gray is going to teach there? When his dad has a Bible college where Scott grew up and could teach there? This is not a bash about Scott, it is about the chances some of the kids missed by not attending HAC or any other college for that matter.
How many lives could have been different if they had been given the blessing of the Preacher to go elsewhere?

Scott Gray's move to HAC is a significant because their were so many kids who grew up in Texas went to LCA k - 12 and wanted to attend an out of state college to begin a new life, away from parents, away from their past, wanted to attend HAC to have their own life. But that was a BIG NO NO! Many, many times it was preached that if you are from LBT that you have no right to attend another college, essentially you were a traitor. The parents and the kids were preached to and about, even literally being called a traitor. And now Scott Gray is going to teach there? When his dad has a Bible college where Scott grew up and could teach there? This is not a bash about Scott, it is about the chances some of the kids missed by not attending HAC or any other college for that matter.
How many lives could have been different if they had been given the blessing of the Preacher to go elsewhere?

Is there a riff between Scott and his dad now?? Not that it is any of my business, but this place is like a soap opera the way you guys explain it. Hard not to watch the next episode.

Is there a riff between Scott and his dad now?? Not that it is any of my business, but this place is like a soap opera the way you guys explain it. Hard not to watch the next episode.

No, there is no riff, but Scott has always been his own man!

Amen! and thanks to God that Scott is like that. He is a wonderful man, I'm certainly not trying to run him down, I am very proud of him, I've known him since he was 11 years old. The people at FBC and HAC are going to LOVE him, his sweet wife and 3 rambunctious boys.

I was very glad to hear that Scott had finally left Dear Old Dad and gone to Tony Hutson's Church [sic]. I was glad he got away from the Old Man. I can't say that I'm happy that he is now going to FBCH, but I do have a little glee thinking of how this just chaps ole Bob right in the hindward parts.

Scott is indeed his own man. He always has been to a degree, but getting away from Dad was absolutely necessary. This is the big difference between him and little Bob. I wouldn't give you one plug nickel for Little Bob. Twenty years as a Youth Pastor? What's up with that? A youth pastor is a baby sitter. It's not even a proper church office. It just undermines the role of the father in the family and the office is the primary taker of the virginity of young females in most IFBx churches.

Little Bob is the only one left. Maybe we should call him Mini Bob. Mini Bob is the only Gray child left in Longview. All of Bob Gray's children have gotten out of there, not just down the road, they have all gotten out of state. Poor little Mini Bob hangs on. Maybe daddy will give me the church one day.

Well, if in fact the church did allow a Gray to keep the reigns after God strikes Big Bob dead, my guess is that Scott will be a much better qualified, more well rounded, and generally more suitable candidate.

Mini Bob, let that lusty blonde teenage girl there take your cane and help you into your Hoverround. We'll let the girls gather around you and sing to you at the youth department lock-in.

We love you Bobby,
Oh yes we do.

You love my sister,
You want me too.

Your wrinkled face,
Will soon turn blue.

Oh Bobby, we love you.
WE REALLY MEAN IT!

Too bad Mini Bob worked as Big Bob's youth pastor for his whole life. Now he doesn't have a dime for retirement, and his Social Security is direct deposited to the bus ministry. Maybe Preacher Scott Gray will help an old man with a dozen little girlfriends this month.


YOUTH MINISTRY: It's not just for Hugh Hefner.

MLH

All of Bob Gray's children have gotten out of there, not just down the road, they have all gotten out of state. MLH

I think that you may have forgotten about his daughter Kim. She and her family are still there.

I was very glad to hear that Scott had finally left Dear Old Dad and gone to Tony Hutson's Church [sic]. I was glad he got away from the Old Man. I can't say that I'm happy that he is now going to FBCH, but I do have a little glee thinking of how this just chaps ole Bob right in the hindward parts.

Scott is indeed his own man. He always has been to a degree, but getting away from Dad was absolutely necessary. This is the big difference between him and little Bob. I wouldn't give you one plug nickel for Little Bob. Twenty years as a Youth Pastor? What's up with that? A youth pastor is a baby sitter. It's not even a proper church office. It just undermines the role of the father in the family and the office is the primary taker of the virginity of young females in most IFBx churches.

Little Bob is the only one left. Maybe we should call him Mini Bob. Mini Bob is the only Gray child left in Longview. All of Bob Gray's children have gotten out of there, not just down the road, they have all gotten out of state. Poor little Mini Bob hangs on. Maybe daddy will give me the church one day.

Well, if in fact the church did allow a Gray to keep the reigns after God strikes Big Bob dead, my guess is that Scott will be a much better qualified, more well rounded, and generally more suitable candidate.

Mini Bob, let that lusty blonde teenage girl there take your cane and help you into your Hoverround. We'll let the girls gather around you and sing to you at the youth department lock-in.



Too bad Mini Bob worked as Big Bob's youth pastor for his whole life. Now he doesn't have a dime for retirement, and his Social Security is direct deposited to the bus ministry. Maybe Preacher Scott Gray will help an old man with a dozen little girlfriends this month.


YOUTH MINISTRY: It's not just for Hugh Hefner.

MLH

That was funny. :D

Ted,

Regarding your comments about youth ministry:

Youth Ministry is so much more! Two offices: Pastor and Deacon. I do not pretend to hold an office; I simply help my pastor do his job. Pastor the people of our church, including the youth. I love the people I pastor or help pastor, whatever you want to call it. You have been exposed to many screwed up men, as have many on this forum, myself included. I knew two youth pastors personally who were perverts, but that is NOT an indictment of "most" youth pastors as you indicated. I also know several men who are or have been youth pastors or children's ministry pastors who are NOT perverts but rather they are dedicated, men of prayer and men of God. One lives 100 miles west of you in Garland and is without a doubt, one of the finest men I know.

Regarding your comments about the lenth of time for someone to be a youth pastor:

I think that Steve Robertson was one of the greatest youth pastors ever and he did it longer than anyone else I know of. He didn't take over the church his dad pastored, but now pastors in TN and does well. I too think that Bro. Bob will be the pastor of LBT someday. We will see.

Regarding your comments about Scott:

I agree that he is different than most from LBT. I must say however, that I don't know Scott as well as you and really only knew him for 5 years. You are closer to his age and I think you attended school with him didn't you? I only knew him as a teacher/preacher/evangelist during my time there, 93-98. I will say this though: it is interesting to think about all of the sermons (some preached by Scott) about sticking it out, staying put, and so on and now to see him and others leave LBT to go one place and then go somewhere else, and then somewhere else, and then somewhere else. Hey, I can talk, I didn't stay where I was sent either. :-) I don't think he was sent to MTBC or FBCH though. :-) All of that being said, I am sure he is still wearing the little coat him momma gave him. Always liked that sermon. He is a good preacher, but not as good as his father in law!

"I'm back
I'm bad
I'm black
I'm mad"

HA!

I think that you may have forgotten about his daughter Kim. She and her family are still there.

She is married to Mark Simmons the beer salesman for Super 1. You know when the underage cashier can not scan beer and he walks over and says hello and scans my beer.:D

She is married to Mark Simmons the beer salesman for Super 1. You know when the underage cashier can not scan beer and he walks over and says hello and scans my beer.:D

...priceless

She is married to Mark Simmons the beer salesman for Super 1. You know when the underage cashier can not scan beer and he walks over and says hello and scans my beer.:D

That is the one piece of info that made logging in today worth it!

It was my understanding he had taken a store in Lousiana, but I guess he's back. My mistake. So it's Dan the man in Louisiana???

And yes if you missed the post at the Old FFF, it was entitled... THE DOUBLE CURSE OF BOOZE ON MARK SIMMONS AND DAN GABUCCI.

That was a classic post. I wish I still had a copy. For all the stink Bob raised about the Maude Cobb Convention Center and all the people he ran out of the church that worked at the brewery, and that college student that worked at a convenience store that didn't even sell beer that Bob ran out of town for selling beer, and cigarettes, what's up with that?

As Donald Trump said of Rosie ODonnell, You're a loser. You're a loser, Bob Gray. You're a failure. You're church is a failure. It's barely afloat. You have to travel across the country week in and out to steal members from other churches just to fill your pews.

And guess whose funeral Bob Gray missed this time? Right! Bob Gray missed the funerral of Mr. Simmons, Bob's own son-in-law's father. Maybe he dissed him because he scanned your beer overit.

Bob is low. He comes from poor white trash, and he still smells like it.

Keever, I will allow that some youth pastors may be honorable. I enjoyed Steve Robertston's preaching in the past. I'm sure he is a good man. There are also many people that have given their lives to helping disadvantaged kids through community outreach programs such as big sisters and big brothers. While, of course these programs are child molestor magnets, just as youth ministry is, there is good that comes from them.

But the local church youth minister paradigm is all wrong and needs to be shut down. Kids don't need a baby sitter to take the place of their parents as a stand in spiritual guide. That is just ridiculous. If there is a such thing as a youth minister, he should spend more time ministering to the parents, to facillitate teaching the parents how to teach and rear their children themselves. Then let a deacon and his wife rotate in and out running the activities. Don't go and pay somebody to do it when you can get it done free.

Then you youth facillitators (I won't call you a youth minister unless you are ordained and administer the sacraments) go work on becoming ordained pastors or getting a real job.

And yes Keev, Scott is many times a better man than Bob. Bob is a bald faced liar and a nimcompoop. This is not slander. It is fact. See my disclaimer below. I'm speaking from personal knowledge.

And what is good about Scott are the aspects of his character that ARE NOT like his father.

MLH

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Who are you not defending? Scott, Bobby, or the Big Ol' Bob?

Scott Gray has never said or done anything bad toward me. He has been my friend in years past. I disagree with him on alot of things, but I have no negative opinion of his character or of him as a man. I understand his good reputation follows him.

In my mind, Scott is no Bob, big or mini. And that is a compliment.


MLH

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It's okay toaster, I did the same thing. But Thank God He opened our eyes and is allowing us to redeem the time we spent at LBT. Now we can repair relationships, learn from the Bible (not what the man interprets it to be), rejoice and not be afraid, there is so much more.

Say - movin' on - you must redeem the time you spent at LBT - Tell me, did you lead any souls to the Lord while there. If not, why not? And, if you did - why would you need to - redeem the time. If you led some souls to Christ you were where you were suppose to be!!!!! Think about it.:D

Hey Al, maybe she didn't Love God with all her heart mind and soul, and her neighbor as herself while she was there. Maybe that's what she means.

I doubt she has any idea who is written in the lambs book of life except herself and perhaps some folks in Hebrews 11.

regards
MLH

I doubt she has any idea who is written in the lambs book of life except herself and perhaps some folks in Hebrews 11.


Can I use that? :)

Redeeming the time, the time I spent ignoring those who left LBT because that is what we were told to do; the time I spent putting my kids through a living hell while in the youth department (I could write a book "Lies Bro. Bob told me"); the time I spent winning souls to the Lord but not nuturing them, but trying to get the next number. . . I mean soul. The time I spent not helping a hurting heart because I was too afraid to of being accused of being a busy body; the time my kids spent in the pews being humiliated by the pastor, names and sins being called out; the time I blindly followed the pastor without question, even though I had questions, but was too afraid to ask. I could go on and on about the time I need to redeem, I know it is my fault that all this happened, but I must redeem the time I spent there trying to undo all the harm I caused.

Guess whose funeral Dr. Gray missed THIS time? Dear, dear Dr. Paul Duckett..........the man that Dr. Gray called the epitome of loyalty. He said he had "to save his voice for Sunday." How rude!! Dr. Duckett served that man for 20 years; the VERY LEAST he could have done was give a 15 minute sermon!!! I remember him preaching in college. He did have a tendency to chase rabbits or whatever, but I admired him for his music knowledge. That man KNEW his music and will be missed terribly. I would have to say that he was the ONLY person who deserved a Doctorate from LBT.

PS- and he wonders why good people leave his church......hmmmmm........ most of them leave not because they are living or want to live a "wicked" (as HE considers it) lifestyle, but because they have been hurt by the Man of God they trusted to shepherd them through life......... just so you know, the Duckett family still attends LBT....... I'm talking about others in general.