Joe, while I was reading your post I was thinking, "Why is he here if he thinks discussing something makes on an idiot?" Then you said, "I am out of here" and it made perfect sense as to why.

You also said, "This forum is a magnet for know it alls and nerds.." The truth is that many of us are actively involved in fruitful ministry. I agree, there are some who do think they know everything, however they are a vast minority.

As a matter of fact, I wrote in my post, "In other words both are true and we don't know why! It's like praying for someones salvation and having them receive Christ. Did they choose for themselves?.....yes. Did prayer play a part in it?.....yes. Did God's Holy Spirit convict them and lead them to the Savior?......yes? Was in human responsibility or God's sovereignty that came into play?.....yes!

If you want everything rolled up into a neat little package that you can understand, all you end up with is a god of your own making. If you know the infinite Almighty that does what He wants, whenever He wants and no one can stop Him (the God of scripture) then there will be mysteries. It doesn't sound like a know-it-all attitude to me.

My theory is that you are reading things on this forum you don't agree with and don't know how to defend your own beliefs. That is why you don't want to discuss it. It's just a theory.